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French, British Ships to Sail Disputed Asian Sea, Rile China (Was: Af/Pak & Other News (6/15/2018))
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Byker
2018-06-15 22:46:46 UTC
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https://www.voanews.com/a/france-britain-ships-south-china-sea-china/4440197.html
This dispute is warming up.
Related: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44343368

The reality is that even after years of attempting to shift the balance of
power in the South China Sea all China has accomplished is in creating
flotillas of Chinese ships that can harass the fishermen of other countries
but in the broader sense it has failed to take control of the sea lanes.

The seizing, building, and militarizing of islands is nothing short of smoke
and mirrors. The build-up of weapon systems in these islands would be
militarily insignificant in a time of war. The true value of the
provocations now going on in the South China Sea is for domestic patriotic
consumption, like Putin's blustering and much-ballyhooed flybys of Western
coastlines.

Regarding these "islands", some of which are underwater at high tide, China
has brought in and deployed surface-to-air and anti-ship missiles, jet
fighters, bombers, transports, and patrol aircraft, leading some in the MSM
to believe that, short of war, China now controls the South China Sea.

But does it? These weapons systems could only be utilized in a war and if
war did break out these islands would be the first things to be turned into
ashtrays. They would have ZERO effect on U.S. naval power in the area since
their location is already known and they could be reduced to dust by land,
air, and sea-borne cruise missiles in short order and thus the military
potential of the islands is basically zilch...
george152
2018-06-15 23:29:00 UTC
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Post by Byker
https://www.voanews.com/a/france-britain-ships-south-china-sea-china/4440197.html
This dispute is warming up.
Related: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44343368
The reality is that even after years of attempting to shift the balance of
power in the South China Sea all China has accomplished is in creating
flotillas of Chinese ships that can harass the fishermen of other countries
but in the broader sense it has failed to take control of the sea lanes.
The seizing, building, and militarizing of islands is nothing short of smoke
and mirrors. The build-up of weapon systems in these islands would be
militarily insignificant in a time of war. The true value of the
provocations now going on in the South China Sea is for domestic patriotic
consumption, like Putin's blustering and much-ballyhooed flybys of Western
coastlines.
Regarding these "islands", some of which are underwater at high tide, China
has brought in and deployed surface-to-air and anti-ship missiles, jet
fighters, bombers, transports, and patrol aircraft, leading some in the MSM
to believe that, short of war, China now controls the South China Sea.
But does it? These weapons systems could only be utilized in a war and if
war did break out these islands would be the first things to be turned into
ashtrays. They would have ZERO effect on U.S. naval power in the area since
their location is already known and they could be reduced to dust by land,
air, and sea-borne cruise missiles in short order and thus the military
potential of the islands is basically zilch...
Being islands they can be ignored as supplies especially fuel are
required to maintain them.
Any in the way of an invasion force would be, as you say, ashtrays upon
request..
The denial of the Freedom of Navigation on the High Sea in those areas
may well come back to bite the Chinese when their fleets are denied the
same throughout the rest of the world

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Andrew Swallow
2018-06-16 02:55:37 UTC
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Post by Byker
https://www.voanews.com/a/france-britain-ships-south-china-sea-china/4440197.html
This dispute is warming up.
Related: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44343368
The reality is that even after years of attempting to shift the balance of
power in the South China Sea all China has accomplished is in creating
flotillas of Chinese ships that can harass the fishermen of other countries
but in the broader sense it has failed to take control of the sea lanes.
The seizing, building, and militarizing of islands is nothing short of smoke
and mirrors. The build-up of weapon systems in these islands would be
militarily insignificant in a time of war. The true value of the
provocations now going on in the South China Sea is for domestic patriotic
consumption, like Putin's blustering and much-ballyhooed flybys of Western
coastlines.
Regarding these "islands", some of which are underwater at high tide, China
has brought in and deployed surface-to-air and anti-ship missiles, jet
fighters, bombers, transports, and patrol aircraft, leading some in the MSM
to believe that, short of war, China now controls the South China Sea.
But does it? These weapons systems could only be utilized in a war and if
war did break out these islands would be the first things to be turned into
ashtrays. They would have ZERO effect on U.S. naval power in the area since
their location is already known and they could be reduced to dust by land,
air, and sea-borne cruise missiles in short order and thus the military
potential of the islands is basically zilch...
China ends at the salt water. Consequently the islands and the sea are
not part of the Middle Kingdom. Continuing this colonial land grab will
end in a public loss of face by China and its leaders.

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