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EUROPEAN/NATO BASTARDS COMPLICIT IN 911 COVERUP AND CRIMES
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t***@india.com
2006-12-19 06:00:49 UTC
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In his interview with Dr Fetzer, Bill Orielly made one meaningful
comment in the form of a stinging taunt. Basically he said why cant the
911 movement get front page coverage in any news media, say in France,
EU and elsewhere.
I will show you why it is now quite clear why Europeans are complicit
in the 9/11 crimes by their silence and by their SYSTEMATIC
exploitation of the event.
On the next day of controlled demolition or the false flag operation,
the mad dogs of NATO stood up and declared like a bunch of idiots and
UNCIVILIZED DOGS that an attack on any country of NATO is attack on all
the countries. Rather than asking for DISPASSIONATE investigation they
acted like war-maniacs. Thus, we must consider them as the PRIMARY
ENABLERS of Bush's war OF terror.
Systematically, each NATO country has exploited 9/11 to undermine and
harass their immigrant populations, mainly muslim, as they never could
under their existing constitutional covenants with the citizens.
France, was the first to ban veil for Islamic women and turbans for
Sikhs and Kappas and Yermulke for the Jewish men.
Denmark went on a systematic campaign of provoking Islamics by
cartoons, movies and plays.
Now, Britian has also made some offensive comments about veil using
several politicans as mouthpieces.
Prior to this, Russia staged false apartment complex bomb explosions to
start the Chechnya war and re-occupy it.
Even prior to this, the EUROPEAN/NATO bastards were involved in full
scale genocide in Bosnia by procrastinating for 10 long years. They had
no intention of acting in Kosovo, nor did Bush-1 (in Bosnia) had it not
been Monica Lewinsky who compelled Bill Clinton to act.
If we take a close look at the facts, each of these countries has a
full history of anti-semitism. Britian was the first country in Europe
to summarily expel the Jews. French anti-semitism is well known.
Vikings and the Dutch tribes annihilated the Khazar kingdom of the Jews
(Wikipedia). Russians in addition to history of serial pogroms were the
ones to produce the very creative forgery, the Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion.
European history of Anti-semitism is thoroughly odious, stinky and
full. They cant stand the sight of anyone looking slightly different
than them. For many other people, the human rights, the right of others
to diversity, the freedom of expression was an implicit given, and
never required writing as in constitution. Only the Odious Bastards of
Europe, steeped in intolerance and prejudice had to PERFORCE settle for
a compromise in the form of the democracy and constitution. Still they
are imperfect in following their own agreement and dont know how to
apply it properly. Anyone, would leave europe in a second, if other
countries in asia get nuclear weapons to stave off interference in
their internal affairs and the raw material resources.
Much of the scientific and technological progress in Europe has arisen
from thoroughly negative and atrocious mentality of greed and war.
Regardless, it is clear that implicitly all the european bastards know
that 9/11 conspiracy of 19 hijackers from a cave in afghanistan is a
forgery like the protocols of the elders of zion.
The Asians and Africans, even if their media talks about 911 truth is
irrelevant. The attack by the Euro-American Elite is on its own people
to create A CASTE SYSTEM. That is one of the main objectives of 9/11
besides bombing afghanistan, provoking DPRK to go nuclear and then
sending China, India, Pakistan and other arab countries on a wild goose
chase of war on terror to distract them from their priorities and to
create a split among themselves so that their resources can be easily
devouvered after Iraq has been sucked dry of its oil.
The goal of neutralizing China's progress is in the plan, to be
activated at a certain stage, and so is the goal of neutralizing
Russia's growth.
Lovely pictures of the honorable Rabbis of Neturei Karta with the
Iranian President Ahmadeinejad.
see on www.nkusa.org.
The truth of 911 is out of the bottle. Its not suppressable anymore.
THE ONLY THING TO FEAR NOW IS COWARDICE ITSELF.
United we stand, divide we fall.
The Truth Shall Make you Free
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
911 government account is now PROVABLY FALSE - Why are the BASTARDS
QUIET ?
We know, the mass murder was done by YANK and ZIONIST Bastards
together, and blamed on OBL to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, they
are back to square 1, on China's Back after Hainan, to increase the
currency value. Did anyone see those desperate pictures of Bush in
INDIA, sucking up to Manmohan Singh? Leaning extra six inches in the
photos towards Manmohan to FLATTER the Indian people. Certainly, there
is some BOOT-STRAPPING of Indian Image and economy to scare China after
having exploited their country for decades as a vast SLAVE LABOR camp
and then blaming them for running it !!! Remember, how Bush was unhappy
at the Death of Kalpana Chawala, cherry picked to create the MYTH of
US-India friendship? But the shuttle blew up - a divine act against the
ANTI-CHRIST. Now they have cherry picked another Indian girl. Yet
others are some Zionist Neocon advisors helping specific Indian
industries to make image making rise, eg Mettal. The idea is to
purposely sabotage China's global rise and steady progress. The Bush
and Neocon principle of politics is by deception, spying, scaring and
myth-making. It has been very successful in the PAST. The creation of
Israel on the land of Palestine was thru the false myth as the Rabbi's
of Neturei Karta have explained to us. The free book on the internet,
Min Ha Mitzer, From the Depths or "Holocaust Victims Accuse" [the
zionists] is available as a pdf for download. Its written wy Rabbi
Wasserman who was himself in the Aushwitz. Similarly, 911 was a fake
myth.Its best described in the words of Philosophy Professor James
Fetzer.
footnote: Bush's pretense of RELOGISITY is a MYTH. He screwed numerous
girls in his drinking years.
www.st911.org
he Science of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not
Propaganda by the government and the corporate media would have us
believe that the 9/11 "inside job" hypothesis is not merely
controversial but unsupported by proof. That is wrong. Academics,
experts, and scholars who have examined the physical evidence and
considered this event within its historical context tend to converge in
agreement that the inside-job hypothesis is, in fact, strongly
supported by the available evidence, while the version advanced in The
9/11 Commission Report is not only false but provably false and in
crucial respects physically impossible. That the official account of
9/11 is a lie and that 9/11 appears to have been an inside job is no
longer a matter of serious scientific debate.
Even though the broad outlines of what happened are no longer
controversial--for example, we know that The World Trade Center was
intentionally demolished by a high-energy causal process physically
unrelated to plane crashes and resulting fires--the precise details of
how the perpetrators carried out the attack remains the subject of
intense controversy. From a political point of view, this controversy
may be insignificant. What we know with relative certainty about 9/11
is already the story of the century: it demands re-thinking our
history, our politics, perhaps even our way of life. But from a
scientific rather than political standpoint, controversial questions
about what may have happened on 9/11 are fascinating and
challenging--not least of all because they could lead to a better
understanding of 9/11 with respect to its social and political
significance.
In an attempt to clarify these matters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be
hosting a conference entitled "The Science of 9/11: What's
Controversial, What's Not", to be held in mid- to late-July in Madison,
WI. I think we can all agree that the most important dimension of our
efforts is explaining why the "official account" that the government
has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even
here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has
not been proven to an extent that is sufficient to emphasize them as
"refutations" of the government's account, I am inviting Barrie Zwicker
to organize the opening session, a panel discussion on "disproofs" of
the government's account.
Following the opening session, there will be a keynote speaker and five
major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As
the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel
discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin
Towers. [Editor's note: I regret to report that Steve Jones has
declined.] I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on
non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry,
that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am
inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the
WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville. Each of these
sessions would be of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration. I anticipate there will
be a registration fee of $100 for the week-end long conference, which
will include a keynote address on Saturday evening.
While the program is at its tentative and preliminary stage, I am open
to suggestions for possible participants and additional topics. There
may be changes in the individuals responsible for some of these panels,
but my expectation would be that their focus will remain the same.
Anyone who has ideas they would like to share with me is welcome to
This conference should provide an opportunity for experts on complex
and technical scientific questions to explain their research and its
significance. My hope is that by "agreeing to disagree," and by
subjecting each others' research to rigorous but collegial criticism,
the attention-getting controversial aspects of 9/11 research may be
turned into a benefit, rather than a distraction, in the larger process
of seeking and exposing the truth about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
t***@india.com
2006-12-19 06:21:36 UTC
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http://www.gnn.tv/threads/22023/Dam_Breaks_On_9_11_Truth

Two more major influential Hollywood stars using their fame to attract
attention to 9/11 truth proves the dam is breaking and November's
election result has failed to stop the momentum of a growing chorus
across the political spectrum demanding answers on inexplicable facets
of the 9/11 fraud.

Actor James Brolin used a spot on ABC's popular chat show The View to
plug a 9/11 website that goes into detail on how the towers and
Building 7 were imploded by incendiary devices.

Iconic producer David Lynch appeared on Dutch TV news to react to a
clip from the Loose Change documentary and sounded off on several
different aspects of how the official story is impossible.

The danger that the Democrats gaining control of the House and Senate
would put Hollywood and leftists in general to sleep seems to have
diminished in recognizing that the vast majority still understand 9/11
to be a seminal event and not just a symptom of the corrupt Republican
Party.

Do Hollywood icons like Brolin and Lynch going public on 9/11 make or
break the case? No - we have already presented the evidence and it
has been vetted, peer reviewed and collated with the establishment of
the 9/11 Truth Scholars. The effect that high profile figures have is
to provide a huge magnifying glass that shines on 9/11 truth and
generates more interest and reaches sectors of society that would not
normally be touched by dry research alone.

We can only hope that Brolin and Lynch's actions will lead more
Hollywood stars and others with high profiles from the entertainment
world to feel more comfortable in stepping forth into the limelight,
echoing the trailblazing example of Charlie Sheen, and using their
platform to vocalize 9/11 truth.

We should not forget that Sheen was the first major star to put
everything on the line back in March of this year when he risked his
career to heighten awareness of the fact that 9/11 is a cover-up, a
sentiment now shared by the vast majority of the U.S. population
according to the latest scientific poll.

Click here to listen to Alex Jones' thoughts on today's exciting
developments.
Post by t***@india.com
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/20819/EUROPEAN_NATO_BASTARDS_COMPLICIT_IN_911_COVERUP_AND_CRIMES
In his interview with Dr Fetzer, Bill Orielly made one meaningful
comment in the form of a stinging taunt. Basically he said why cant the
911 movement get front page coverage in any news media, say in France,
EU and elsewhere.
I will show you why it is now quite clear why Europeans are complicit
in the 9/11 crimes by their silence and by their SYSTEMATIC
exploitation of the event.
On the next day of controlled demolition or the false flag operation,
the mad dogs of NATO stood up and declared like a bunch of idiots and
UNCIVILIZED DOGS that an attack on any country of NATO is attack on all
the countries. Rather than asking for DISPASSIONATE investigation they
acted like war-maniacs. Thus, we must consider them as the PRIMARY
ENABLERS of Bush's war OF terror.
Systematically, each NATO country has exploited 9/11 to undermine and
harass their immigrant populations, mainly muslim, as they never could
under their existing constitutional covenants with the citizens.
France, was the first to ban veil for Islamic women and turbans for
Sikhs and Kappas and Yermulke for the Jewish men.
Denmark went on a systematic campaign of provoking Islamics by
cartoons, movies and plays.
Now, Britian has also made some offensive comments about veil using
several politicans as mouthpieces.
Prior to this, Russia staged false apartment complex bomb explosions to
start the Chechnya war and re-occupy it.
Even prior to this, the EUROPEAN/NATO bastards were involved in full
scale genocide in Bosnia by procrastinating for 10 long years. They had
no intention of acting in Kosovo, nor did Bush-1 (in Bosnia) had it not
been Monica Lewinsky who compelled Bill Clinton to act.
If we take a close look at the facts, each of these countries has a
full history of anti-semitism. Britian was the first country in Europe
to summarily expel the Jews. French anti-semitism is well known.
Vikings and the Dutch tribes annihilated the Khazar kingdom of the Jews
(Wikipedia). Russians in addition to history of serial pogroms were the
ones to produce the very creative forgery, the Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion.
European history of Anti-semitism is thoroughly odious, stinky and
full. They cant stand the sight of anyone looking slightly different
than them. For many other people, the human rights, the right of others
to diversity, the freedom of expression was an implicit given, and
never required writing as in constitution. Only the Odious Bastards of
Europe, steeped in intolerance and prejudice had to PERFORCE settle for
a compromise in the form of the democracy and constitution. Still they
are imperfect in following their own agreement and dont know how to
apply it properly. Anyone, would leave europe in a second, if other
countries in asia get nuclear weapons to stave off interference in
their internal affairs and the raw material resources.
Much of the scientific and technological progress in Europe has arisen
from thoroughly negative and atrocious mentality of greed and war.
Regardless, it is clear that implicitly all the european bastards know
that 9/11 conspiracy of 19 hijackers from a cave in afghanistan is a
forgery like the protocols of the elders of zion.
The Asians and Africans, even if their media talks about 911 truth is
irrelevant. The attack by the Euro-American Elite is on its own people
to create A CASTE SYSTEM. That is one of the main objectives of 9/11
besides bombing afghanistan, provoking DPRK to go nuclear and then
sending China, India, Pakistan and other arab countries on a wild goose
chase of war on terror to distract them from their priorities and to
create a split among themselves so that their resources can be easily
devouvered after Iraq has been sucked dry of its oil.
The goal of neutralizing China's progress is in the plan, to be
activated at a certain stage, and so is the goal of neutralizing
Russia's growth.
Lovely pictures of the honorable Rabbis of Neturei Karta with the
Iranian President Ahmadeinejad.
see on www.nkusa.org.
The truth of 911 is out of the bottle. Its not suppressable anymore.
THE ONLY THING TO FEAR NOW IS COWARDICE ITSELF.
United we stand, divide we fall.
The Truth Shall Make you Free
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
911 government account is now PROVABLY FALSE - Why are the BASTARDS
QUIET ?
We know, the mass murder was done by YANK and ZIONIST Bastards
together, and blamed on OBL to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, they
are back to square 1, on China's Back after Hainan, to increase the
currency value. Did anyone see those desperate pictures of Bush in
INDIA, sucking up to Manmohan Singh? Leaning extra six inches in the
photos towards Manmohan to FLATTER the Indian people. Certainly, there
is some BOOT-STRAPPING of Indian Image and economy to scare China after
having exploited their country for decades as a vast SLAVE LABOR camp
and then blaming them for running it !!! Remember, how Bush was unhappy
at the Death of Kalpana Chawala, cherry picked to create the MYTH of
US-India friendship? But the shuttle blew up - a divine act against the
ANTI-CHRIST. Now they have cherry picked another Indian girl. Yet
others are some Zionist Neocon advisors helping specific Indian
industries to make image making rise, eg Mettal. The idea is to
purposely sabotage China's global rise and steady progress. The Bush
and Neocon principle of politics is by deception, spying, scaring and
myth-making. It has been very successful in the PAST. The creation of
Israel on the land of Palestine was thru the false myth as the Rabbi's
of Neturei Karta have explained to us. The free book on the internet,
Min Ha Mitzer, From the Depths or "Holocaust Victims Accuse" [the
zionists] is available as a pdf for download. Its written wy Rabbi
Wasserman who was himself in the Aushwitz. Similarly, 911 was a fake
myth.Its best described in the words of Philosophy Professor James
Fetzer.
footnote: Bush's pretense of RELOGISITY is a MYTH. He screwed numerous
girls in his drinking years.
www.st911.org
he Science of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not
Propaganda by the government and the corporate media would have us
believe that the 9/11 "inside job" hypothesis is not merely
controversial but unsupported by proof. That is wrong. Academics,
experts, and scholars who have examined the physical evidence and
considered this event within its historical context tend to converge in
agreement that the inside-job hypothesis is, in fact, strongly
supported by the available evidence, while the version advanced in The
9/11 Commission Report is not only false but provably false and in
crucial respects physically impossible. That the official account of
9/11 is a lie and that 9/11 appears to have been an inside job is no
longer a matter of serious scientific debate.
Even though the broad outlines of what happened are no longer
controversial--for example, we know that The World Trade Center was
intentionally demolished by a high-energy causal process physically
unrelated to plane crashes and resulting fires--the precise details of
how the perpetrators carried out the attack remains the subject of
intense controversy. From a political point of view, this controversy
may be insignificant. What we know with relative certainty about 9/11
is already the story of the century: it demands re-thinking our
history, our politics, perhaps even our way of life. But from a
scientific rather than political standpoint, controversial questions
about what may have happened on 9/11 are fascinating and
challenging--not least of all because they could lead to a better
understanding of 9/11 with respect to its social and political
significance.
In an attempt to clarify these matters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be
hosting a conference entitled "The Science of 9/11: What's
Controversial, What's Not", to be held in mid- to late-July in Madison,
WI. I think we can all agree that the most important dimension of our
efforts is explaining why the "official account" that the government
has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even
here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has
not been proven to an extent that is sufficient to emphasize them as
"refutations" of the government's account, I am inviting Barrie Zwicker
to organize the opening session, a panel discussion on "disproofs" of
the government's account.
Following the opening session, there will be a keynote speaker and five
major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As
the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel
discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin
Towers. [Editor's note: I regret to report that Steve Jones has
declined.] I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on
non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry,
that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am
inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the
WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville. Each of these
sessions would be of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration. I anticipate there will
be a registration fee of $100 for the week-end long conference, which
will include a keynote address on Saturday evening.
While the program is at its tentative and preliminary stage, I am open
to suggestions for possible participants and additional topics. There
may be changes in the individuals responsible for some of these panels,
but my expectation would be that their focus will remain the same.
Anyone who has ideas they would like to share with me is welcome to
This conference should provide an opportunity for experts on complex
and technical scientific questions to explain their research and its
significance. My hope is that by "agreeing to disagree," and by
subjecting each others' research to rigorous but collegial criticism,
the attention-getting controversial aspects of 9/11 research may be
turned into a benefit, rather than a distraction, in the larger process
of seeking and exposing the truth about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
t***@india.com
2006-12-19 08:29:30 UTC
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Post by t***@india.com
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/22023/Dam_Breaks_On_9_11_Truth
Two more major influential Hollywood stars using their fame to attract
attention to 9/11 truth proves the dam is breaking and November's
election result has failed to stop the momentum of a growing chorus
across the political spectrum demanding answers on inexplicable facets
of the 9/11 fraud.
Actor James Brolin used a spot on ABC's popular chat show The View to
plug a 9/11 website that goes into detail on how the towers and
Building 7 were imploded by incendiary devices.
Iconic producer David Lynch appeared on Dutch TV news to react to a
clip from the Loose Change documentary and sounded off on several
different aspects of how the official story is impossible.
The danger that the Democrats gaining control of the House and Senate
would put Hollywood and leftists in general to sleep seems to have
diminished in recognizing that the vast majority still understand 9/11
to be a seminal event and not just a symptom of the corrupt Republican
Party.
Do Hollywood icons like Brolin and Lynch going public on 9/11 make or
break the case? No - we have already presented the evidence and it
has been vetted, peer reviewed and collated with the establishment of
the 9/11 Truth Scholars. The effect that high profile figures have is
to provide a huge magnifying glass that shines on 9/11 truth and
generates more interest and reaches sectors of society that would not
normally be touched by dry research alone.
We can only hope that Brolin and Lynch's actions will lead more
Hollywood stars and others with high profiles from the entertainment
world to feel more comfortable in stepping forth into the limelight,
echoing the trailblazing example of Charlie Sheen, and using their
platform to vocalize 9/11 truth.
We should not forget that Sheen was the first major star to put
everything on the line back in March of this year when he risked his
career to heighten awareness of the fact that 9/11 is a cover-up, a
sentiment now shared by the vast majority of the U.S. population
according to the latest scientific poll.
Click here to listen to Alex Jones' thoughts on today's exciting
developments.
Post by t***@india.com
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/20819/EUROPEAN_NATO_BASTARDS_COMPLICIT_IN_911_COVERUP_AND_CRIMES
In his interview with Dr Fetzer, Bill Orielly made one meaningful
comment in the form of a stinging taunt. Basically he said why cant the
911 movement get front page coverage in any news media, say in France,
EU and elsewhere.
I will show you why it is now quite clear why Europeans are complicit
in the 9/11 crimes by their silence and by their SYSTEMATIC
exploitation of the event.
On the next day of controlled demolition or the false flag operation,
the mad dogs of NATO stood up and declared like a bunch of idiots and
UNCIVILIZED DOGS that an attack on any country of NATO is attack on all
the countries. Rather than asking for DISPASSIONATE investigation they
acted like war-maniacs. Thus, we must consider them as the PRIMARY
ENABLERS of Bush's war OF terror.
Systematically, each NATO country has exploited 9/11 to undermine and
harass their immigrant populations, mainly muslim, as they never could
under their existing constitutional covenants with the citizens.
France, was the first to ban veil for Islamic women and turbans for
Sikhs and Kappas and Yermulke for the Jewish men.
Denmark went on a systematic campaign of provoking Islamics by
cartoons, movies and plays.
Now, Britian has also made some offensive comments about veil using
several politicans as mouthpieces.
Prior to this, Russia staged false apartment complex bomb explosions to
start the Chechnya war and re-occupy it.
Even prior to this, the EUROPEAN/NATO bastards were involved in full
scale genocide in Bosnia by procrastinating for 10 long years. They had
no intention of acting in Kosovo, nor did Bush-1 (in Bosnia) had it not
been Monica Lewinsky who compelled Bill Clinton to act.
If we take a close look at the facts, each of these countries has a
full history of anti-semitism. Britian was the first country in Europe
to summarily expel the Jews. French anti-semitism is well known.
Vikings and the Dutch tribes annihilated the Khazar kingdom of the Jews
(Wikipedia). Russians in addition to history of serial pogroms were the
ones to produce the very creative forgery, the Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion.
European history of Anti-semitism is thoroughly odious, stinky and
full. They cant stand the sight of anyone looking slightly different
than them. For many other people, the human rights, the right of others
to diversity, the freedom of expression was an implicit given, and
never required writing as in constitution. Only the Odious Bastards of
Europe, steeped in intolerance and prejudice had to PERFORCE settle for
a compromise in the form of the democracy and constitution. Still they
are imperfect in following their own agreement and dont know how to
apply it properly. Anyone, would leave europe in a second, if other
countries in asia get nuclear weapons to stave off interference in
their internal affairs and the raw material resources.
Much of the scientific and technological progress in Europe has arisen
from thoroughly negative and atrocious mentality of greed and war.
Regardless, it is clear that implicitly all the european bastards know
that 9/11 conspiracy of 19 hijackers from a cave in afghanistan is a
forgery like the protocols of the elders of zion.
The Asians and Africans, even if their media talks about 911 truth is
irrelevant. The attack by the Euro-American Elite is on its own people
to create A CASTE SYSTEM. That is one of the main objectives of 9/11
besides bombing afghanistan, provoking DPRK to go nuclear and then
sending China, India, Pakistan and other arab countries on a wild goose
chase of war on terror to distract them from their priorities and to
create a split among themselves so that their resources can be easily
devouvered after Iraq has been sucked dry of its oil.
The goal of neutralizing China's progress is in the plan, to be
activated at a certain stage, and so is the goal of neutralizing
Russia's growth.
Lovely pictures of the honorable Rabbis of Neturei Karta with the
Iranian President Ahmadeinejad.
see on www.nkusa.org.
The truth of 911 is out of the bottle. Its not suppressable anymore.
THE ONLY THING TO FEAR NOW IS COWARDICE ITSELF.
United we stand, divide we fall.
The Truth Shall Make you Free
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
911 government account is now PROVABLY FALSE - Why are the BASTARDS
QUIET ?
We know, the mass murder was done by YANK and ZIONIST Bastards
together, and blamed on OBL to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, they
are back to square 1, on China's Back after Hainan, to increase the
currency value. Did anyone see those desperate pictures of Bush in
INDIA, sucking up to Manmohan Singh? Leaning extra six inches in the
photos towards Manmohan to FLATTER the Indian people. Certainly, there
is some BOOT-STRAPPING of Indian Image and economy to scare China after
having exploited their country for decades as a vast SLAVE LABOR camp
and then blaming them for running it !!! Remember, how Bush was unhappy
at the Death of Kalpana Chawala, cherry picked to create the MYTH of
US-India friendship? But the shuttle blew up - a divine act against the
ANTI-CHRIST. Now they have cherry picked another Indian girl. Yet
others are some Zionist Neocon advisors helping specific Indian
industries to make image making rise, eg Mettal. The idea is to
purposely sabotage China's global rise and steady progress. The Bush
and Neocon principle of politics is by deception, spying, scaring and
myth-making. It has been very successful in the PAST. The creation of
Israel on the land of Palestine was thru the false myth as the Rabbi's
of Neturei Karta have explained to us. The free book on the internet,
Min Ha Mitzer, From the Depths or "Holocaust Victims Accuse" [the
zionists] is available as a pdf for download. Its written wy Rabbi
Wasserman who was himself in the Aushwitz. Similarly, 911 was a fake
myth.Its best described in the words of Philosophy Professor James
Fetzer.
footnote: Bush's pretense of RELOGISITY is a MYTH. He screwed numerous
girls in his drinking years.
www.st911.org
he Science of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not
Propaganda by the government and the corporate media would have us
believe that the 9/11 "inside job" hypothesis is not merely
controversial but unsupported by proof. That is wrong. Academics,
experts, and scholars who have examined the physical evidence and
considered this event within its historical context tend to converge in
agreement that the inside-job hypothesis is, in fact, strongly
supported by the available evidence, while the version advanced in The
9/11 Commission Report is not only false but provably false and in
crucial respects physically impossible. That the official account of
9/11 is a lie and that 9/11 appears to have been an inside job is no
longer a matter of serious scientific debate.
Even though the broad outlines of what happened are no longer
controversial--for example, we know that The World Trade Center was
intentionally demolished by a high-energy causal process physically
unrelated to plane crashes and resulting fires--the precise details of
how the perpetrators carried out the attack remains the subject of
intense controversy. From a political point of view, this controversy
may be insignificant. What we know with relative certainty about 9/11
is already the story of the century: it demands re-thinking our
history, our politics, perhaps even our way of life. But from a
scientific rather than political standpoint, controversial questions
about what may have happened on 9/11 are fascinating and
challenging--not least of all because they could lead to a better
understanding of 9/11 with respect to its social and political
significance.
In an attempt to clarify these matters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be
hosting a conference entitled "The Science of 9/11: What's
Controversial, What's Not", to be held in mid- to late-July in Madison,
WI. I think we can all agree that the most important dimension of our
efforts is explaining why the "official account" that the government
has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even
here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has
not been proven to an extent that is sufficient to emphasize them as
"refutations" of the government's account, I am inviting Barrie Zwicker
to organize the opening session, a panel discussion on "disproofs" of
the government's account.
Following the opening session, there will be a keynote speaker and five
major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As
the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel
discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin
Towers. [Editor's note: I regret to report that Steve Jones has
declined.] I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on
non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry,
that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am
inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the
WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville. Each of these
sessions would be of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration. I anticipate there will
be a registration fee of $100 for the week-end long conference, which
will include a keynote address on Saturday evening.
While the program is at its tentative and preliminary stage, I am open
to suggestions for possible participants and additional topics. There
may be changes in the individuals responsible for some of these panels,
but my expectation would be that their focus will remain the same.
Anyone who has ideas they would like to share with me is welcome to
This conference should provide an opportunity for experts on complex
and technical scientific questions to explain their research and its
significance. My hope is that by "agreeing to disagree," and by
subjecting each others' research to rigorous but collegial criticism,
the attention-getting controversial aspects of 9/11 research may be
turned into a benefit, rather than a distraction, in the larger process
of seeking and exposing the truth about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
t***@india.com
2006-12-19 06:28:08 UTC
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Post by t***@india.com
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/20819/EUROPEAN_NATO_BASTARDS_COMPLICIT_IN_911_COVERUP_AND_CRIMES
In his interview with Dr Fetzer, Bill Orielly made one meaningful
comment in the form of a stinging taunt. Basically he said why cant the
911 movement get front page coverage in any news media, say in France,
EU and elsewhere.
I will show you why it is now quite clear why Europeans are complicit
in the 9/11 crimes by their silence and by their SYSTEMATIC
exploitation of the event.
On the next day of controlled demolition or the false flag operation,
the mad dogs of NATO stood up and declared like a bunch of idiots and
UNCIVILIZED DOGS that an attack on any country of NATO is attack on all
the countries. Rather than asking for DISPASSIONATE investigation they
acted like war-maniacs. Thus, we must consider them as the PRIMARY
ENABLERS of Bush's war OF terror.
Systematically, each NATO country has exploited 9/11 to undermine and
harass their immigrant populations, mainly muslim, as they never could
under their existing constitutional covenants with the citizens.
France, was the first to ban veil for Islamic women and turbans for
Sikhs and Kappas and Yermulke for the Jewish men.
Denmark went on a systematic campaign of provoking Islamics by
cartoons, movies and plays.
Now, Britian has also made some offensive comments about veil using
several politicans as mouthpieces.
Prior to this, Russia staged false apartment complex bomb explosions to
start the Chechnya war and re-occupy it.
Even prior to this, the EUROPEAN/NATO bastards were involved in full
scale genocide in Bosnia by procrastinating for 10 long years. They had
no intention of acting in Kosovo, nor did Bush-1 (in Bosnia) had it not
been Monica Lewinsky who compelled Bill Clinton to act.
If we take a close look at the facts, each of these countries has a
full history of anti-semitism. Britian was the first country in Europe
to summarily expel the Jews. French anti-semitism is well known.
Vikings and the Dutch tribes annihilated the Khazar kingdom of the Jews
(Wikipedia). Russians in addition to history of serial pogroms were the
ones to produce the very creative forgery, the Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion.
European history of Anti-semitism is thoroughly odious, stinky and
full. They cant stand the sight of anyone looking slightly different
than them. For many other people, the human rights, the right of others
to diversity, the freedom of expression was an implicit given, and
never required writing as in constitution. Only the Odious Bastards of
Europe, steeped in intolerance and prejudice had to PERFORCE settle for
a compromise in the form of the democracy and constitution. Still they
are imperfect in following their own agreement and dont know how to
apply it properly. Anyone, would leave europe in a second, if other
countries in asia get nuclear weapons to stave off interference in
their internal affairs and the raw material resources.
Much of the scientific and technological progress in Europe has arisen
from thoroughly negative and atrocious mentality of greed and war.
Regardless, it is clear that implicitly all the european bastards know
that 9/11 conspiracy of 19 hijackers from a cave in afghanistan is a
forgery like the protocols of the elders of zion.
The Asians and Africans, even if their media talks about 911 truth is
irrelevant. The attack by the Euro-American Elite is on its own people
to create A CASTE SYSTEM. That is one of the main objectives of 9/11
besides bombing afghanistan, provoking DPRK to go nuclear and then
sending China, India, Pakistan and other arab countries on a wild goose
chase of war on terror to distract them from their priorities and to
create a split among themselves so that their resources can be easily
devouvered after Iraq has been sucked dry of its oil.
The goal of neutralizing China's progress is in the plan, to be
activated at a certain stage, and so is the goal of neutralizing
Russia's growth.
Lovely pictures of the honorable Rabbis of Neturei Karta with the
Iranian President Ahmadeinejad.
see on www.nkusa.org.
The truth of 911 is out of the bottle. Its not suppressable anymore.
THE ONLY THING TO FEAR NOW IS COWARDICE ITSELF.
United we stand, divide we fall.
The Truth Shall Make you Free
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
911 government account is now PROVABLY FALSE - Why are the BASTARDS
QUIET ?
We know, the mass murder was done by YANK and ZIONIST Bastards
together, and blamed on OBL to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, they
are back to square 1, on China's Back after Hainan, to increase the
currency value. Did anyone see those desperate pictures of Bush in
INDIA, sucking up to Manmohan Singh? Leaning extra six inches in the
photos towards Manmohan to FLATTER the Indian people. Certainly, there
is some BOOT-STRAPPING of Indian Image and economy to scare China after
having exploited their country for decades as a vast SLAVE LABOR camp
and then blaming them for running it !!! Remember, how Bush was unhappy
at the Death of Kalpana Chawala, cherry picked to create the MYTH of
US-India friendship? But the shuttle blew up - a divine act against the
ANTI-CHRIST. Now they have cherry picked another Indian girl. Yet
others are some Zionist Neocon advisors helping specific Indian
industries to make image making rise, eg Mettal. The idea is to
purposely sabotage China's global rise and steady progress. The Bush
and Neocon principle of politics is by deception, spying, scaring and
myth-making. It has been very successful in the PAST. The creation of
Israel on the land of Palestine was thru the false myth as the Rabbi's
of Neturei Karta have explained to us. The free book on the internet,
Min Ha Mitzer, From the Depths or "Holocaust Victims Accuse" [the
zionists] is available as a pdf for download. Its written wy Rabbi
Wasserman who was himself in the Aushwitz. Similarly, 911 was a fake
myth.Its best described in the words of Philosophy Professor James
Fetzer.
footnote: Bush's pretense of RELOGISITY is a MYTH. He screwed numerous
girls in his drinking years.
www.st911.org
he Science of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not
Propaganda by the government and the corporate media would have us
believe that the 9/11 "inside job" hypothesis is not merely
controversial but unsupported by proof. That is wrong. Academics,
experts, and scholars who have examined the physical evidence and
considered this event within its historical context tend to converge in
agreement that the inside-job hypothesis is, in fact, strongly
supported by the available evidence, while the version advanced in The
9/11 Commission Report is not only false but provably false and in
crucial respects physically impossible. That the official account of
9/11 is a lie and that 9/11 appears to have been an inside job is no
longer a matter of serious scientific debate.
Even though the broad outlines of what happened are no longer
controversial--for example, we know that The World Trade Center was
intentionally demolished by a high-energy causal process physically
unrelated to plane crashes and resulting fires--the precise details of
how the perpetrators carried out the attack remains the subject of
intense controversy. From a political point of view, this controversy
may be insignificant. What we know with relative certainty about 9/11
is already the story of the century: it demands re-thinking our
history, our politics, perhaps even our way of life. But from a
scientific rather than political standpoint, controversial questions
about what may have happened on 9/11 are fascinating and
challenging--not least of all because they could lead to a better
understanding of 9/11 with respect to its social and political
significance.
In an attempt to clarify these matters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be
hosting a conference entitled "The Science of 9/11: What's
Controversial, What's Not", to be held in mid- to late-July in Madison,
WI. I think we can all agree that the most important dimension of our
efforts is explaining why the "official account" that the government
has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even
here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has
not been proven to an extent that is sufficient to emphasize them as
"refutations" of the government's account, I am inviting Barrie Zwicker
to organize the opening session, a panel discussion on "disproofs" of
the government's account.
Following the opening session, there will be a keynote speaker and five
major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As
the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel
discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin
Towers. [Editor's note: I regret to report that Steve Jones has
declined.] I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on
non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry,
that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am
inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the
WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville. Each of these
sessions would be of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration. I anticipate there will
be a registration fee of $100 for the week-end long conference, which
will include a keynote address on Saturday evening.
While the program is at its tentative and preliminary stage, I am open
to suggestions for possible participants and additional topics. There
may be changes in the individuals responsible for some of these panels,
but my expectation would be that their focus will remain the same.
Anyone who has ideas they would like to share with me is welcome to
This conference should provide an opportunity for experts on complex
and technical scientific questions to explain their research and its
significance. My hope is that by "agreeing to disagree," and by
subjecting each others' research to rigorous but collegial criticism,
the attention-getting controversial aspects of 9/11 research may be
turned into a benefit, rather than a distraction, in the larger process
of seeking and exposing the truth about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
t***@india.com
2006-12-19 21:31:50 UTC
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The goal may be to try and get these men to break and admit to
manufactured charges that could retroactively justify their illegal
detainment.

The goal may be to try and get these men to break and admit to
manufactured charges that could retroactively justify their illegal
detainment.

http://counterpunch.org/lindorff12192006.html

Bush Cracks Down on Gitmo Detainees, Despite Overwhelmin Evidence Most
are Not Terrorists
Innnocents Abroad

By DAVE LINDORFF

The U.S. is holding hundreds of innocent people at its detention
facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Military authorities at Guantanamo have decided to tighten the screws
on detainees because it has been determined that the U.S. has been too
kind and accommodating to them.

If you find those two sentences jarring and contradictory, you're not
alone, yet both were leading news items in today's newspapers. The
first appeared in a page one story in of the Philadelphia Inquirer by
Associated Press reporter Andrew O. Selsky, which said most of the
detainees are innocent of any crime. The second was a page one story in
the New York Times by reporter Tim Golden, who reported on a harsh
crackdown on Guantanamo detainees, including removal of common eating
privileges, inmate soccer games, and incentives for good behavior by
prisoners.

Selsky, who traced what happened to 245 of some 360 Guantanamo
detainees released by the U.S., found that 205 of them, upon arriving
in their countries of origin, were immediately released, after their
home governments determined that they were, after all, not dangerous
terrorists. According to Selsky, all 83 Afghan captives sent back to
Afghanistan were freed after the government there determined that most
had simply been turned over to American forces because of "tribal or
personal rivalries" and to collect ransoms being offered by US forces.

Pakistan released 67 of 70 Pakistani captives returned to that country
after it was determined they too were "innocent."

All 29 detainees repatriated to Britain, Spain, Germany, Russia,
Australia, Turkey, Denmark, Bahrain and the Maldives, were freed within
hours of being sent home by the U.S., which had delivered them bound
hand and food as "dangerous terrorists."

Selsky's report is a damning indictment of the U.S. operation at
Guantanamo, and makes a joke of U.S. claims that the people it is
holding indefinitely and without trial on the naval base there are the
"worst of the worst," and are, in the words of Pentagon officials,
"among the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of
the Earth." Golden, meanwhile, reports that these remaining prisoners
face much harsher conditions in the future than they have been enduring
to date. In recent months, the prisoners had been benefiting from a
program of incentives that gave them steady improvements in living
conditions in return for good behavior. Now three quarters of them are
being moved to maximum-security cells.

Rear Admiral Harry B. Harris Jr., commander of the compound, told
Golden that in his view all the captives are dangerous. He is quoted as
saying, "They're all terrorists; they're all enemy combatants," and
concluding, "I don't think there is such a thing as a medium-security
terrorist."

Golden notes dryly, without comment, that 100 of those 420 prisoners
still subject to Adm. Harris's tender mercies have actually been
cleared by the military for transfer or release, but are being held
while the State Department tries to arr'nge for their repatriation, and
that shortly after Harris's comment, 15 detainees were sent back to
Saudi Arabia, where the government immediately released them to their
families.

So what the hell is going on here?

One hint is provided by looking at the abusive treatment of Jose
Padilla, the so-called "dirty bomber" that the U.S. held without charge
in solitary confinement at a military brig in South Carolina for three
and a half years before conceding that it had no evidence to charge him
with any major crime (he's now facing a charge of providing money to a
charity that may have links to Al Qaeda, but even that case appears
weak). During his base confinement, Padilla was kept in a dark cell,
unable to contact a lawyer or family member. When he was removed for a
trip to the dentist, he was fitted with soundproof earmuffs and his
eyes were covered by blackout goggles, rendering him entirely sensory
deprived. Though he was completely docile and posed no threat, he was
shackled hand and foot as well, despite the presence of four guards
armed with M-16 weapons. Padilla, an American citizen by birth, is now
said to have lost his mind and is unable to even understand why he is
in captivity.

It seems clear from Padilla's over-the-top abusive treatment, and the
increasingly harsh treatment that is being applied to captives at
Guantanamo, that the Pentagon and the Bush administration are not
genuinely trying to protect America from anything, but have simply
devolved into a bunch of deliberate, pathological sadists, who are
desperately trying to break and destroy several hundred people who
never should have been captured in the first place.

The goal may be to try and get these men to break and admit to
manufactured charges that could retroactively justify their illegal
detainment. Thanks to the military tribunal bill that the outgoing
Republican Congress, with the help of treacherous and cowardly
Democrats, passed as one of their final wretched actions, they could
then be executed, or just held incommunicado until death or dementia
renders them no longer threats to the administration's reputation.

Whatever the government's motives for this ongoing horror, Americans
need to wake up and recognize that Guantanamo and the so-called "War on
Terror" have made America--and every one of us Americans--guilty of the
most obscene of war crimes.

There will inevitably come a day of reckoning--a day when we will all
be called to account for our collective crime.

Let us at least be able to say then that we spoke out against what is
being done in our name.

Dave Lindorff is the author of Killing Time: an Investigation into the
Death Row Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. His new book of CounterPunch columns
titled "This Can't be Happening!" is published by Common Courage Press.
Lindorff's new book is "The Case for Impeachment",
co-authored by Barbara Olshansky.
Post by t***@india.com
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Post by t***@india.com
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/20819/EUROPEAN_NATO_BASTARDS_COMPLICIT_IN_911_COVERUP_AND_CRIMES
In his interview with Dr Fetzer, Bill Orielly made one meaningful
comment in the form of a stinging taunt. Basically he said why cant the
911 movement get front page coverage in any news media, say in France,
EU and elsewhere.
I will show you why it is now quite clear why Europeans are complicit
in the 9/11 crimes by their silence and by their SYSTEMATIC
exploitation of the event.
On the next day of controlled demolition or the false flag operation,
the mad dogs of NATO stood up and declared like a bunch of idiots and
UNCIVILIZED DOGS that an attack on any country of NATO is attack on all
the countries. Rather than asking for DISPASSIONATE investigation they
acted like war-maniacs. Thus, we must consider them as the PRIMARY
ENABLERS of Bush's war OF terror.
Systematically, each NATO country has exploited 9/11 to undermine and
harass their immigrant populations, mainly muslim, as they never could
under their existing constitutional covenants with the citizens.
France, was the first to ban veil for Islamic women and turbans for
Sikhs and Kappas and Yermulke for the Jewish men.
Denmark went on a systematic campaign of provoking Islamics by
cartoons, movies and plays.
Now, Britian has also made some offensive comments about veil using
several politicans as mouthpieces.
Prior to this, Russia staged false apartment complex bomb explosions to
start the Chechnya war and re-occupy it.
Even prior to this, the EUROPEAN/NATO bastards were involved in full
scale genocide in Bosnia by procrastinating for 10 long years. They had
no intention of acting in Kosovo, nor did Bush-1 (in Bosnia) had it not
been Monica Lewinsky who compelled Bill Clinton to act.
If we take a close look at the facts, each of these countries has a
full history of anti-semitism. Britian was the first country in Europe
to summarily expel the Jews. French anti-semitism is well known.
Vikings and the Dutch tribes annihilated the Khazar kingdom of the Jews
(Wikipedia). Russians in addition to history of serial pogroms were the
ones to produce the very creative forgery, the Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion.
European history of Anti-semitism is thoroughly odious, stinky and
full. They cant stand the sight of anyone looking slightly different
than them. For many other people, the human rights, the right of others
to diversity, the freedom of expression was an implicit given, and
never required writing as in constitution. Only the Odious Bastards of
Europe, steeped in intolerance and prejudice had to PERFORCE settle for
a compromise in the form of the democracy and constitution. Still they
are imperfect in following their own agreement and dont know how to
apply it properly. Anyone, would leave europe in a second, if other
countries in asia get nuclear weapons to stave off interference in
their internal affairs and the raw material resources.
Much of the scientific and technological progress in Europe has arisen
from thoroughly negative and atrocious mentality of greed and war.
Regardless, it is clear that implicitly all the european bastards know
that 9/11 conspiracy of 19 hijackers from a cave in afghanistan is a
forgery like the protocols of the elders of zion.
The Asians and Africans, even if their media talks about 911 truth is
irrelevant. The attack by the Euro-American Elite is on its own people
to create A CASTE SYSTEM. That is one of the main objectives of 9/11
besides bombing afghanistan, provoking DPRK to go nuclear and then
sending China, India, Pakistan and other arab countries on a wild goose
chase of war on terror to distract them from their priorities and to
create a split among themselves so that their resources can be easily
devouvered after Iraq has been sucked dry of its oil.
The goal of neutralizing China's progress is in the plan, to be
activated at a certain stage, and so is the goal of neutralizing
Russia's growth.
Lovely pictures of the honorable Rabbis of Neturei Karta with the
Iranian President Ahmadeinejad.
see on www.nkusa.org.
The truth of 911 is out of the bottle. Its not suppressable anymore.
THE ONLY THING TO FEAR NOW IS COWARDICE ITSELF.
United we stand, divide we fall.
The Truth Shall Make you Free
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
911 government account is now PROVABLY FALSE - Why are the BASTARDS
QUIET ?
We know, the mass murder was done by YANK and ZIONIST Bastards
together, and blamed on OBL to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, they
are back to square 1, on China's Back after Hainan, to increase the
currency value. Did anyone see those desperate pictures of Bush in
INDIA, sucking up to Manmohan Singh? Leaning extra six inches in the
photos towards Manmohan to FLATTER the Indian people. Certainly, there
is some BOOT-STRAPPING of Indian Image and economy to scare China after
having exploited their country for decades as a vast SLAVE LABOR camp
and then blaming them for running it !!! Remember, how Bush was unhappy
at the Death of Kalpana Chawala, cherry picked to create the MYTH of
US-India friendship? But the shuttle blew up - a divine act against the
ANTI-CHRIST. Now they have cherry picked another Indian girl. Yet
others are some Zionist Neocon advisors helping specific Indian
industries to make image making rise, eg Mettal. The idea is to
purposely sabotage China's global rise and steady progress. The Bush
and Neocon principle of politics is by deception, spying, scaring and
myth-making. It has been very successful in the PAST. The creation of
Israel on the land of Palestine was thru the false myth as the Rabbi's
of Neturei Karta have explained to us. The free book on the internet,
Min Ha Mitzer, From the Depths or "Holocaust Victims Accuse" [the
zionists] is available as a pdf for download. Its written wy Rabbi
Wasserman who was himself in the Aushwitz. Similarly, 911 was a fake
myth.Its best described in the words of Philosophy Professor James
Fetzer.
footnote: Bush's pretense of RELOGISITY is a MYTH. He screwed numerous
girls in his drinking years.
www.st911.org
he Science of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not
Propaganda by the government and the corporate media would have us
believe that the 9/11 "inside job" hypothesis is not merely
controversial but unsupported by proof. That is wrong. Academics,
experts, and scholars who have examined the physical evidence and
considered this event within its historical context tend to converge in
agreement that the inside-job hypothesis is, in fact, strongly
supported by the available evidence, while the version advanced in The
9/11 Commission Report is not only false but provably false and in
crucial respects physically impossible. That the official account of
9/11 is a lie and that 9/11 appears to have been an inside job is no
longer a matter of serious scientific debate.
Even though the broad outlines of what happened are no longer
controversial--for example, we know that The World Trade Center was
intentionally demolished by a high-energy causal process physically
unrelated to plane crashes and resulting fires--the precise details of
how the perpetrators carried out the attack remains the subject of
intense controversy. From a political point of view, this controversy
may be insignificant. What we know with relative certainty about 9/11
is already the story of the century: it demands re-thinking our
history, our politics, perhaps even our way of life. But from a
scientific rather than political standpoint, controversial questions
about what may have happened on 9/11 are fascinating and
challenging--not least of all because they could lead to a better
understanding of 9/11 with respect to its social and political
significance.
In an attempt to clarify these matters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be
hosting a conference entitled "The Science of 9/11: What's
Controversial, What's Not", to be held in mid- to late-July in Madison,
WI. I think we can all agree that the most important dimension of our
efforts is explaining why the "official account" that the government
has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even
here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has
not been proven to an extent that is sufficient to emphasize them as
"refutations" of the government's account, I am inviting Barrie Zwicker
to organize the opening session, a panel discussion on "disproofs" of
the government's account.
Following the opening session, there will be a keynote speaker and five
major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As
the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel
discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin
Towers. [Editor's note: I regret to report that Steve Jones has
declined.] I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on
non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry,
that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am
inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the
WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville. Each of these
sessions would be of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration. I anticipate there will
be a registration fee of $100 for the week-end long conference, which
will include a keynote address on Saturday evening.
While the program is at its tentative and preliminary stage, I am open
to suggestions for possible participants and additional topics. There
may be changes in the individuals responsible for some of these panels,
but my expectation would be that their focus will remain the same.
Anyone who has ideas they would like to share with me is welcome to
This conference should provide an opportunity for experts on complex
and technical scientific questions to explain their research and its
significance. My hope is that by "agreeing to disagree," and by
subjecting each others' research to rigorous but collegial criticism,
the attention-getting controversial aspects of 9/11 research may be
turned into a benefit, rather than a distraction, in the larger process
of seeking and exposing the truth about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
T Wake
2006-12-19 21:46:08 UTC
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The goal may be to try and get these men to break and admit to
manufactured charges that could retroactively justify their illegal
detainment.
Like I said before, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
t***@india.com
2006-12-19 16:57:45 UTC
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http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/library/khazars.html <--Jewish Kingdom
in Central Asia

"A THOUSAND YEARS before the establishment of the Modern State of
Israel, there existed a Jewish kingdom in the eastern fringes of
Europe, astride the Don and Volga rivers..." So begins a thesis by
Jewish author Kevin Alan Brook. The kingdom of which he speaks appears
at first consideration to be comprised of nearly as much
disinformation, misinformation, "myth"information, and, curiously,
NO-information as there is actual provable historical fact. Yet upon
closer scrutiny this kingdom, known as Khazaria, or the Kingdom of the
Khazars, is clearly revealed in a vast body of historical evidence,
much of which has come to light only in the last three to five decades.

This mysterious kingdom, which has sculpted our modern world to an
astounding (and alarming) degree, once occupied an immense land area of
over a million square miles extending from western Hungary/Austria
eastward to the Aural Sea, north to the Upper Volga, and its southern
region extending to the Caucasus Mountains between the Black and
Caspian seas. It was at that time literally the largest country on
earth. It has only been in the last several decades, however, that
greater documented evidence from ancient manuscripts has come to light
and revealed the astonishing historical truth of this ancient kingdom
and its connection to the origins of modern-day Israel.

Though little known to the West, and, for that matter, to even
those currently occupying its ancestral land, the Khazar kingdom has
been responsible for substantially shaping the history and political
landscape of Europe and specifically Western Asia, but also to a
remarkable degree the entirety of human events on this planet.

Arthur Koestler, author of The Thirteenth Tribe, easily the most
expansive single work on the subject, states, "The story of the Khazar
Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the
most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated." 1

This is the story of a kingdom of belligerent, warlike Caucasian
nomads, having no linked ancestry with anything Israelite this side of
Noah, yet adopting Talmudic Judaism and becoming the dominant -- and
virtually only -- current force in twenty-first century international
Jewry.

During the course of this work salient facts and issues will be
presented without a too-extensive reliance on tedious historical
documentation. However, considering the delicacy of the subject --
especially in this modern age where any divergence from certain agendas
for "political correctness" can result in epithets of racism or
anti-Semitism -- and for the obvious sake of accuracy, reasonably
comprehensive documentation is necessary.

In this it will be shown that the cry of "anti-Semitism" hurled
against those who do oppose the international actions of ones calling
themselves Jews, would be much like an immigrated Scotsman to America
deciding to live on an Apache Indian reservation, coming to dominate
its politics and economics, and then claiming that anyone disagreeing
with his political and social agenda is racist and anti-Apache in their
beliefs.

What under different circumstances could prove to be a dry treatise
on Eastern European Jewish history is, if closely examined, actually a
narrative of events that have laid a sequential pathway to, and beyond,
the destruction of the New York World Trade Center on September 11,
2001. This historical time line has been fixed in its present course,
which, by all appearances and in a most unexpected manner, is
culminating in the fulfillment of the Biblical prophecies of
Armageddon. But then, it has always been so with prophecy. The most
consistent aspect in the nature of prophetic fulfillment is that it is
consistently surprising. God has invariably worked to complete His
desires, prophetically, in ways that have not been understood until
revealed in retrospect -- in the light of their actual happening.
An Historical Perspective

Shortly after the death of Mohammed in AD 632, according to
Columbia University Professor, D. M. Dunlop, Arab armies began a
campaign northward, sweeping "through the wreckage of two empires and
carrying all before them till they reached the great mountain barrier
of the Caucasus. This barrier once passed," Dunlop observes, "the road
lay open to the lands of eastern Europe." 2 Had the Caliphate (the
armies of the Muslim Caliph) surmounted that immense geological
deterrent unchallenged, the history of Europe and, indeed, the rest of
the Judeo-Christian world would have been vastly different than it now
is.

It was at the Caucasus, however, that the Arabs encountered the
Khazars, initiating a war that lasted over a century and effectively
prevented Europe from becoming Islamic. So powerful, socially and
militarily, were the Khazars that, as Kevin Alan Brook relates in his
work The Jews of Khazaria, "a 10th-century emperor of the Byzantines
[Roman Empire], Constantine Porphyrogenitus, sent correspondence to the
Khazars marked with a gold seal worth 3 solidi - more than the 2 solidi
that always accompanied letters to the Pope of Rome, the Prince of the
Rus, and the Prince of the Hungarians." 3

Rutgers University Professor Peter Golden, referred to by Brook as
"one of the principal authorities on the Khazars," wrote, "Every
schoolchild in the West has been told that if not for Charles Martel
and the battle of Poitiers there might be a mosque where Notre Dame now
stands. What few schoolchildren are aware of," Golden emphasizes, "is
that if not for the Khazars...Eastern Europe might well have become a
province of Islam." 4

The Khazarian mounted forces, with a soldiery of mainly Turkic and
pagan origin, could at times and when accounted for, show a disastrous
fierceness and cruelty to the enemies of Khazaria. They were also
probably the most disciplined, as well as tactically and strategically
the most potent, martial power at that time and in that region.
Evidence that they were supremely calculating in their approach to
international matters lay in the fact that, in contrast to their
brutality, Khazar officials were often consulted as diplomatic
emissaries and mediators by all the political powers surrounding
Khazaria. The Khazars and their empire were at that time both highly
respected and greatly feared -- with good reason. 5

At the peak of their empire it is believed that the Khazars had a
permanent standing army that could have numbered as many as one hundred
thousand and controlled or exacted tribute, astonishingly, from thirty
different nations and tribes inhabiting the vast territories between
the Caucasus, the Aral Sea, the Ural Mountains and the Ukrainian
steppes. 6 , 7 During their zenith, Khazaria completely girded the
lands of what are currently Astrakhan, Kalmykia, Daghestan, Volgograd,
Rostov, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkarsk, North Ossetia, and Chechnya.
"At its maximum extent (in the ninth century)," says Brook, "Khazaria
not only encompassed the northern Caucasus and the Volga delta, but
also extended as far west as Kiev [Russia]." 8

Soviet archaeologist M. I. Artamonov states that, for a century and
a half, the Khazars were the supreme masters of the southern half of
Eastern Europe and presented a virtually impenetrable bulwark, blocking
the Ural-Caspian gateway from Asia into Europe. During that entire
period, they held back the onslaught of the nomadic tribes from the
East. 9

Until recently, a great part of the problem with the historical
obscurity of ancient Khazaria lay with the fact that the geographical
area of the country was part of the Soviet Union, which insisted on
interpreting archaeological data "within the framework of Marxist
historical materialism." 10 This Iron Curtain version of historical
revisionism caused the Soviets to interpret that data in such a way as
to present as fact that which was well fabricated -- but wrong.

This peculiar and obscure race inhabiting that land were described
as blue-eyed and of very fair complexion. Commonly they had long
reddish hair and were reported as very large of stature and fierce of
countenance. 11 Other sources have added observations that there were
"Black Khazars" and "White Khazars," noting that the latter were
"light-skinned and handsome, while the former were dark-skinned." This
has, however, been rather conclusively refuted by scholars who have
established that the distinction was not racial but social. The "Black"
or "Kara" Khazars constituted the lower strata or caste, while the
"White" or "Ak" Khazars were of the noble or royal classes. This type
of class distinction was fairly common in Eastern Europe as evidenced
by the more commonly known terms "Black Russian" and "White Russian,"
denoting not skin color but class. 12

In his book An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples,
Peter Golden claims that the Chinese T'and-shu chronicle describes the
Khazars, generally, as "...tall, with red-hair, ruddy-faced and
blue-eyed. Black hair is considered a bad omen." 13
THE KHAZARS OF CONQUEST AND WAR

Of the ferocity and warlike tendencies of the Khazars there is
little doubt and much historical evidence, all of it pointing to a race
of people so violent in their dealings with their fellow men that they
were feared and abhorred above all peoples in that region of the world.

The Arab chronicler Ibn-Said al-Maghribi writes, "they are to the
north of the inhabited earth towards the 7th clime, having over their
heads the constellation of the Plough. Their land is cold and wet.
Accordingly their complexions are white, their eyes blue, their hair
flowing and predominantly reddish, their bodies large and their natures
cold. Their general aspect is wild." 14

The ninth-century monk Druthmar of Aquitaine, in his commentary on
Matthew 24:14 in Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, stated that the
Gazari, or Khazars, dwelt "in the lands of Gog and Magog." 15

Legends and stories abound, some of which are true according to the
above quoted Aquitaine monk, that center around Alexander the Great and
his attempt to enclose the Khazars and quarantine them, due to their
violent and barbaric nature, from the rest of the civilized world. This
endeavor apparently failed, Druthmar claimed, and they escaped. Some
legends even claim they were cannibals. 16

After the kingdom's conversion to Judaism, the term "Red Jews" came
into usage out of the superstition of medieval Germans, who equated
their red hair and beards and their violent nature with deceit and
dishonesty. It is also well documented that they heavily taxed those
passing through their lands, for none dared refuse them. 17

According to Benjamin H. Freedman, himself a Jew and an apparent
long-time associate and confidant of presidents and statesmen, in an
address presented in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., the
Khazars were so belligerent and hostile that they were eventually run
out of Asia and scattered amongst the nations of Eastern Europe.
Heinrich von Neustadt, around 1300, wrote of them as the "terrifying
people of Gog and Magog." 18

The territory of the Bulgars, themselves legendary for their
fierceness in battle, was conquered by the Khazars in AD 642. A portion
of them fled westward to the region of the Danube in the Balkans and
formed what is now modern-day Bulgaria. 19 Even in modern times, Muslim
history recalls the Khazar raids and the terror of those inhabiting
that land. To this day they call the Caspian, Bahr-ul-Khazar -- "the
Khazar Sea." 20

It is not difficult to determine some of the motivating factors
behind the legendary Khazar ferocity in war. "When the bek [the Khazar
head of the military and second in command only to the Kagan himself]
sends out a body of troops, they do not in any circumstances retreat.
If they are defeated, every one who returns to him is
killed....Sometimes he cuts every one of them in two and crucifies them
and sometimes he hangs them by the neck from trees." 21

Logically it seems that this would not likely happen more than
once, since reason would reveal to even the dullest soldier that defeat
was not an option. Such a practice would also have provided a strong
impetus to the legend of Khazar fierceness since, when faced with the
choice of winning in battle or facing a worse death at home, the
options -- and the rational responses to them -- become painfully
distinct.

All of these facts, mingled with the semi-factual legends of
Alexander the Great and his attempts to wall up the Red Jews and
isolate them, has led to the numerous mythologies of the coming escape,
at the end of time, of Gog and Magog from the area enclosed by the
Caucasus Mountains. This, as the legends say, in order to fulfill Bible
prophecy in the final destruction of the world. Indeed, even Islam has
such legends in its mythology.

In a writing by the Imam Ibn Kathir, he asserts that the prophet
Mohammed has claimed, "Every day, Gog and Magog are trying to dig a way
out through the barrier [the Caucasus mountains]. When they begin to
see sunlight through it, the one who is in charge of them says, 'Go
back; you can carry on digging tomorrow,' and when they come back, the
barrier is stronger than it was before. This will continue until their
time comes and Allah wishes to send them forth." 22

As shall be shown, the Muslims to the south of the Khazarian
kingdom had good reason to attach such legends to their ferocious
northern neighbors.

However, no nation can long survive,no matter how strong, by being
exclusively belligerent, and the Khazars were not an exception to this.
As a vital addition to their brutality they were possessed of a native,
calculating wisdom in knowing, as the gambler's creed says, "when to
hold 'em and when to fold 'em". This prescient political sense became
evident in their diplomatic encounters with the Romans. The Roman
Emperor Heraclius, in 627, formed a military alliance with the Khazars
for the purpose of a final defeat of the Persians. Upon the first
meeting of the Khazar king, Ziebel, with the Roman Emperor, the Khazars
displayed, in full array, their skills at diplomatic flattery -- skills
that would serve them well and would not disappear with their kingdom.
He "with his nobles dismounted from their horses," says Gibbon, "...and
fell prostrate on the ground, to adore the purple of the Caesar." So
enamored was the Byzantine Emperor with this display of obeisance that
it eventually led to the offer, along with many riches, of the Caesar's
daughter Eudocia in marriage. 23 That union never took place due to the
death of Ziebel while Eudocia was enroute to Khazaria. However, after
the final defeat of Islam's designs on the Northern Kingdom in AD 730,
a marriage between a Khazar princess and the heir to the Byzantine
Roman Empire resulted in an offspring who was to rule Byzantium as Leo
the Khazar. Thus the "King of the North" had skilfully managed to place
himself on the throne of the Roman Empire. 24

After the defeat of the Persians a new triangle of power emerged,
consisting of the "Islamic Caliphate, Christian Byzantium and the newly
emerged Khazar Kingdom of the North. It fell to the latter to bear the
brunt of the Arab attack in its initial stages, and to protect the
plains of Eastern Europe from the invaders." 25 Because of their unique
geographical location within the cusp created by the Caspian and Black
Seas on either side, and the frightful stone barrier of the Caucasus
Mountains along their southern border, defending their land was made
considerably easier. This situation of geography was, according to
historians, one of the major factors in shaping the history of Eastern
Europe, the European continent, and ultimately the world.

The Khazars had, for years, been venturing forth southward, in
their marauding raids on the Muslim countries south of the Caucasus.
Now, in the early part of the seventh century, Islam came northward
through the same Kasbek Pass the Khazars had used, and began a long war
with the "Northern Kingdom." The major attempt of the Muslim armies to
take control of the Transcaucasus came in 622 while Mohammed was still
leading Islam. They conquered "Persia, Syria, Mesopotamia, Egypt, and
surrounded the Byzantine heartland (present-day Turkey) in a deadly
semi-circle, which extended from the Mediterranean to the Caucasus and
the southern shores of the Caspian." This began a long series of
incursions by both sides (Khazaria and Islam) that lasted for another
thirty years. These wars eventually saw the Arabs defeated at every
advance, finally ending in 652 with the death of four thousand Arab
soldiers, including their commander, Abdal-Rahman ibn-Rabiah, and the
Arab armies in complete disarray.

This inability to traverse the Caucasus successfully, made it
logistically impossible for the Muslim armies to create an effective
siege against the Roman capital of Constantinople. "Had they been able
to outflank the capital across the Caucasus and round the Black Sea,"
says Arthur Koestler, "the fate of the Roman Empire would probably have
been sealed." 26 It was this fortuitous situation, coupled with the
military barrier presented by the Khazars themselves, that prevented
Europe from coming under the crescent moon of Islam and creating a very
different history than that which has been.

Following this expulsion of the Arabs from the Khazar homeland, the
kingdom began to war for territory rather than spoil, "incorporating
the conquered people into an empire with a stable administration, ruled
by the mighty Kagan [the title given the Khazar king, sometimes spelled
Khagan], who appointed his provincial governors to administer and levy
taxes in the conquered territories. At the beginning of the eighth
century their state was sufficiently consolidated for the Khazars to
take the offensive against the Arabs" rather than merely defending
themselves against Muslim attacks. 27

There was a brief period of Muslim incursion into Khazaria where
the Caliph Marwin II, in a surprise, two-pronged attack, drove the
Khazars as far back in their own land as the Volga region. His only
terms for peace were that the Kagan convert to the "True Faith" --
Islam -- with which the Khazar king complied, but apparently only long
enough for the Muslim Caliph to withdraw back across the Caucasus. This
incident preceded by only a few years the Khazar monarch's conversion
to Judaism. Most historians agree as to the motivation behind the
Caliph's withdrawal. The Muslim ruler apparently realised that, unlike
the more civilised Persians, Armenians or Georgians, the barbaric
Khazars could not be kept under military rule at such a distance.

As mentioned previously, most historical accounts credit Charles
Martel and his Francs for saving Europe from Islam. This Anglicanized
version of history does not, either by ignorance or design, consider
the fact that the Franco defence of Western Europe would have been
futile had not the Khazars stopped the Muslim onslaught from the east.

The astounding historical result of all this is that the Khazar
kingdom was able, eventually, to set up and depose an emperor from the
throne of the greatest ruling power on earth at that time, The
Roman/Byzantine Empire. 28 This, apparently, was only the beginning,
though the records of antiquity, until recently, have largely lost
sight of this historically obscure but immensely influential people.

An interesting side note to the legendary Khazarian ferocity again
reveals their budding nature as negotiators and consummate politicians,
a talent that only intensified under Talmudic Judaism. In The
Thirteenth Tribe, Koestler tells of the Byzantine Emperor, Theodosius
II, who was intent on securing the friendship of the warrior race, "but
the greedy Khazar chieftain, named Karidach, considered the bribe
offered to him inadequate, and sided with the Huns. Attila defeated
Karidach's rival chieftains, installed him as the sole ruler of the
Akatzirs [a name given the "White Khazars"], and invited him to visit
his court. Karidach thanked him profusely for the invitation, and went
on to say that 'it would be too hard on a mortal man to look into the
face of a god. For, as one cannot stare into the sun's disc, even less
could one look into the face of the greatest god without suffering
injury.' Attila must have been pleased, for he confirmed Karidach in
his rule."

The death of Atilla the Hun, however, precipitated the collapse of
the Hunnic empire and left an Eastern European power-vacuum which the
Khazars eventually filled. They then proceeded to subjugate all other
surrounding tribes to the extent that, shortly after their defeat,
those tribes went virtually unmentioned in subsequent historical
accounts. The Khazars had just swallowed them up, historically
speaking. The most difficult time they encountered in their conquests
was from the Bulgars, who were "crushingly defeated" around AD 641,
with a great many migrating westward toward the Danube, and as
previously mentioned, eventually establishing what is now modern
Bulgaria. 29
THE KHAZAR KINGDOM'S CONVERSION TO JUDAISM

"A warrior-nation of Turkish Jews must have seemed to the
[western] rabbis as strange as a circumcized unicorn." A. Koestler

According to Benjamin Freedman the Khazars' conversion to Judaism
was first precipitated by their monarch's abhorrence of the moral
climate into which his kingdom had descended. Freedman has claimed, and
other historians confirmed, that the "primitive" Khazars engaged in
extremely immoral forms of religious practices, among them phallic
worship. Animal sacrifices were also included in their rites.

The Khazar religious structure centered around a shamanism known as
Tengri, which incorporated the worship of spirits and the sky as well
as zoolatry, the worship of animals. Tengri was also the name of their
"immortal god who created the world," and the primary animal sacrifices
made to this deity were horses. 30

The actual mechanics of the Khazarian kingdom's turn to Judaism
was, most historians agree, rather well thought out -- from a
humanistic perspective at least -- rather than random and capricious as
some have believed.

According to George Vernadski, in his book A History of Russia, in
AD 860 a delegation of Khazars were sent to Constantinople (now known
as Istanbul), which was then what remained of the ancient capitol of
the old Roman Empire turned Christian under the Emperor Constantine.
Their message was:

We have known God the Lord of everything [referring here to Tengri]
from time immemorial ... and now the Jews are urging us to accept their
religion and customs, and the Arabs, on their part, draw us to their
faith, promising us peace and many gifts. 31

This appeal, in all its implications, was obviously made for the
purpose of drawing the Christian Roman Empire into the debate with an
eye perhaps toward a balanced argument amongst the major monotheistic
religions.

Brook makes the observation that "this statement reveals that the
Jews were actively seeking converts in Khazaria in 860." He also adds
that "in the year 860, [Christian] Saints Cyril and Methodius were sent
as missionaries to the Khazars by the Byzantine emperor Michael III
.... since the Khazars had requested that a Christian scholar come to
Khazaria to debate with the Jews and Muslims." 32

Inasmuch as the world has seldom (or perhaps never) witnessed any
culture of people more adept at the art of religious debate than
rabbinical Jews, the Khazar's conversion to Talmudic Judaism is not a
surprising outcome, given that such a forum was to be the determining
factor in their choice, rather than purely spiritual perceptions. The
outcome was even further assured by the fact that the Christian
representatives in the debate came from a church in the latter
formative years of the Holy Roman Empire in which, by that time,
spiritual sensitivity had become somewhat rare to nearly extinct.

It was at that period of time (about AD 740) that King Bulan of
Khazaria was reputed to have converted to Judaism. In the debate
amongst the Islamic mullah, the Christian priest and the Jewish rabbi,
each presented to the king the advantages and truths of his own
precepts of faith. This king, however, according to some accounts of
history, had his own logic for determining which he should embrace. He
asked each representative in turn, which of the other two faiths he
considered superior. The result was that the Muslim indicated Judaism
over Christianity, and the Christian priest chose it over Islam. The
king then concluded that Judaism, being the foundation upon which both
of the other monotheistic religions were built, would be that which he
and his subjects should embrace. The Khazars, themselves being
monotheistic, had also apparently expressed reservations about the
polytheistic nature of the Trinity doctrine of the Christians. 33

So as not to exclude the Islamic account of these events, the
following is taken by D. M. Dunlop from al-Bakri's eleventh century
work the Book of Kingdoms and Roads:

"The reason for the conversion of the king of the Khazars, who had
previously been a heathen, to Judaism was as follows. He had adopted
Christianity. Then he recognised the wrongness of his belief and began
to speak with one of his governors about the concern with which he was
filled. The other said to him, O king, the People of the Book form
three classes. Invite them and enquire of them , then follow whichever
is in possession of the truth. So he sent to the Christians for a
bishop. Now there was with him a Jew skilled in debate, who disputed
with the bishop, asking him, What do you say about Moses, son of Amram,
and the Torah which was revealed to him? The other replied, Moses is a
Prophet, and the Torah is true. Then said the Jew to the king. He has
admitted the truth of my creed. Ask him now what he believes. So the
king asked him and he replied, I say that the Messiah, Jesus the son of
Mary, is the Word, and that he has made known the mysteries in the name
of God. Then the Jew said to the king of the Khazars, He confesses a
doctrine which I know not, while he admits what I set forth. But the
bishop was not strong in bringing proofs. So he invited the Muslims,
and they sent him a learned and intelligent man who understood
disputation. But the Jew hired someone against him who poisoned him on
the way, so that he died. And the Jew was able to win the king for his
religion." 34

Koestler presents an interesting alternative to these views. His
position was that the king's conversion was essentially a political
decision. "At the beginning of the eighth century," he writes, "the
world was polarized between the two super-powers representing
Christianity and Islam. Their ideological doctrines were welded to
power-politics pursued by the classical methods of propaganda,
subversion and military conquest."

It may be observed here that it is quite evident modern
Christianity has well learned this same form of statecraft (propaganda,
subversion and military conquest) inasmuch as they have torn a page
directly from the first millennium history of the church.

"The Khazar Empire represented a Third Force," Koestler continues,
"which had proved equal to either of them, both as an adversary and an
ally. But it could only maintain its independence by accepting neither
Christianity nor Islam -- for either choice would have automatically
subordinated it to the authority of the Roman Emperor or the Caliph of
Baghdad." 35

Although they suffered no want of protracted efforts by either
Islam or Christianity to convert the Khazars to their respective
religions, it resulted in no more than an exchange of political and
dynastic courtesies (i.e., intermarriages and shifting military
alliances, etc.). It was clear that the Khazars were determined to
preserve their supremacy as a "Third Force" in the world, and
undisputed leader of the countries and tribal nations of the
Transcaucasus. They saw that the adoption of one of the great
monotheistic religions would confer upon their monarch the benefit of
both prelatic and judicial authority that their system of shamanism
could not, and that the rulers of the other two powers clearly enjoyed.
36

J. B. Bury concurs: "There can be no question," he says, "that the
ruler was actuated by political motives in adopting Judaism. To embrace
Mohammadanism would have made him the spiritual dependent of the
Caliphs, who attempted to press their faith on the Khazars, and in
Christianity lay the danger of his becoming an ecclesiastical vassal of
the Roman Empire. Judaism was a reputable religion with sacred books
which both Christian and Mohammadan respected; it elevated him above
the heathen barbarians, and secured him against the interference of
Caliph or Emperor." 37

It would be illogical, however, to think that the Khazarian rulers
had embraced Judaism blindly without intimate knowledge of what they
were accepting. They had encountered the faith numerous times
throughout the preceding century from traders and refugees fleeing
persecution at the hands of the Romans, and, to a lesser degree, Jewish
flight from the Arab conquests of Asia Minor.

Benjamin Freedman expresses differently the science behind the
process of choosing a national Khazarian religion. He claims they were
much more informal and random, and not nearly so intellectual in their
approach.

It matters little what the mechanics were of the conversion of the
Khazar kingdom to Judaism. It matters only that it happened, and that
it happened with a clanging historical ring that resounds to the
present age.

"The religion of the Hebrews," writes John Bury, "had exercised a
profound influence on the creed of Islam, and it had been a basis for
Christianity; it had won scattered proselytes; but the conversion of
the Khazars to the undiluted religion of Jehovah is unique in history."
38

It is indeed a unique historical event, as Bury claims; however it
is also interesting that he should refer to their conversion to
Talmudic Judaism as "to the undiluted religion of Jehovah." It is
evident that present-day Ethiopian Jews would disagree with Mr. Bury on
this matter since they do not adhere to the precepts of the Talmud,
Mishnah, Midrash or any of the extra-biblical writings that have arisen
since the close of the Old Testament canon. These Jews of North Africa
claim only Torah as their scriptural authority. And, unlike their
distant "brothers" of the Talmud, they practice their religion quietly
and with relatively no involvement in worldly politics.

According to an ancient document entitled King Joseph's Reply to
Hasdai ibn Shaprut, Joseph (a later Khazarian king) stated that, "From
that time on the Almighty God helped him [King Bulan] and strengthened
him. He and his slaves circumcised themselves and he sent for and
brought wise men of Israel who interpreted the Torah for him and
arranged the precepts in order." 39

There appears to be as many historical accounts as to how King
Bulan was converted to Judaism as there are historians and mystics to
present them. Many of them involve visions of angels, such as the tale
by a Sephardic Jewish philosopher detailing a dream in which an angel
told the king that his "intentions are desirable to the Creator" but
the continued observance of shamanism was not. 40 In the aforementioned
document, King Joseph's Reply, its author claims that in that same
dream God promised King Bulan that if he would abandon his pagan
religion and worship the only true God that He would "bless and
multiply Bulan's offspring, and deliver his enemies into his hands, and
make his kingdom last to the end of the world".

It is believed by scholars that the dream was designed to simulate
the Covenant in Genesis and meant to imply "that the Khazars too
claimed the status of a Chosen Race, who made their own Covenant with
the Lord, even though they were not descended from Abraham's seed." 41
[emphasis supplied]

King Joseph corroborates this in his document as he claims to have
positively traced his family's ancestry back, not to Shem the father of
the "Shemites" or Semite peoples, but to another of Noah's sons.
"Though a fierce Jewish nationalist, proud of wielding the 'sceptre
ofJudah'," Koestler says, "he cannot, and does not, claim for them
Semitic descent; he traces their ancestry...to...Noah's third son,
Japheth; or more precisely to Japheth's grandson, Togarma, the ancestor
of all Turkish tribes."

Koestler adds a footnote to King Joseph's genealogical claims that
is piercingly relevant to this study: "It also throws a sidelight on
the frequent description of the Khazars as the people of Magog. Magog,
according to Genesis 10:2-3 was the much maligned uncle of Togarma."
Add to this that two other of the sons of Japheth, the progenitor of
the Khazars, are Meshech and Tubal, central figures in biblical
prophecies of the end times.

King Joseph's Reply also revealed that the successor to King Bulan,
his son Obediah, "reorganized the kingdom and established the [Jewish]
religion properly and correctly," bringing in numerous Jewish sages who
"explained to him the twenty-four books [the Torah], Mishnah, Talmud,
and the order of prayers."

This entrenchment in the Jewish religion outlasted the kingdom
itself and was transplanted, whole cloth, into the Eastern European
settlements of Russia and Poland. 42

Whatever the religious machinery (and/or chicanery) that was set in
motion to accomplish the task, the consequence is historically
undeniable that the Khazarian king was indeed converted to Talmudic
Judaism. And the temporal consequences of that conversion have rung
down through history like a warped and distorted bell, answering
clearly to prophetic declarations of the last days of earth's history.
THE DECLINE OF THE KHAZARS AND
THE EMERGENCE OF THE ASHKENAZIM

The Khazarian kingdom reached its peak of power and world influence
in the latter half of the eighth century. The death knell of their
empire was eventually seen in the dragon-headed ships of the Vikings
who were to cross and navigate all the major waterways in their
onslaughts. Even the legendary ferocity of the Khazars was outdistanced
by these Norsemen who "did not deign to trade until they failed to
vanquish; they preferred bloodstained, glorious gold to a steady
mercantile profit." 43 They were also called Rus, from which descended,
among others, the Russians.

Because historical Scandinavian literature did not begin until
after the time of the Vikings, little of actual fact is known of them,
with much of it apocryphal and contradictory and almost none of it
laudatory. Of their military powers, however, virtually all accounts
are in harmony. In his book, The Magyars in the Ninth Century, C. A.
Macartney quotes the Arab historian, Ibn Rusta:

"These people are vigorous and courageous and when they descend on
open ground, none can escape from them without being destroyed and
their women taken possession of, and themselves taken into slavery." 44

There was even coined a specific term for the Viking ferocity:
berserksgangr, from which is derived the English word berserk.

"Such were the prospects," says Koestler, "which...faced the
Khazars."

Even in light of their viciousness and military prowess, these
Norse Vikings focused their pillaging assaults on the Byzantine Roman
Empire, preferring to trade with the Khazars rather than to tangle with
them. Though eventually outmatched in ferocity, the Khazars were still
able, for a while, to exact their ten percent taxes even from the
Vikings on all of their "cargo" (more correctly spelled plunder) that
passed through their land.

An interesting story emerges from this period of the Khazar Empire
that gives a clear vignette of the emerging cultural schematic that was
eventually to be scattered throughout the world.

In 912 the Rus Vikings, with an armada of 500 ships, each manned by
100 warriors, were set on invading and plundering the Muslim lands
south of the Khazars, with whom the Khazars had a loose alliance of
protection due to the thousands of loyal Muslims in the Kagan's army.
The Rus commander sent a letter to the Kagan asking permission to pass
through his territory, to which the Khazar king acceded on condition of
receiving half of the spoils upon their return.

On the Viking's return from their bloody mission, and paying the
tribute required by the Khazars, the Muslims loyal to the Khazarian
monarch, who lived in the eastern part of his kingdom, requested of the
Kagan that they be permitted to fight the Vikings in retaliation for
what they had done to their brethren to the south. The king granted
them permission to do so, which resulted in the complete eradication of
the Rus force -- except for five thousand who escaped and were
subsequently killed by the Butas and Bulgars to the north.

Here pictured is a classical perspective of what was to become the
Khazar/Jewish heritage in nearly all their dealings -- business, social
or cultural: a king who becomes a willing though passive confederate of
marauding Rus/Vikings, claims half of the loot they have taken in their
bloody assault, licenses a retributive attack against them by Muslims
under his own command, but then informs the Vikings of the imminent
reprisal he himself has authorised. 45

The weakening of the Khazar military influence had a very wide and
unexpected influence in that it greatly hastened the extinction of the
Byzantine Empire. They no longer had a powerful force on their eastern
borders to prevent the Vikings, Mongols and others from invading an
already weakened dominion. This, and internal factions within Khazaria,
was the prolog to the scattering of the Khazar/Jewish seed throughout
Russia and eastern Europe -- and eventually, as shall be shown, to the
reshaping of world history.

The swan song of the Khazar kingdom was not a precipitous decline
in a climactic or decisive series of battles, but rather a gradual,
evolutionary succumbing to superior forces over a protracted period of
time.

"In general, the reduced Khazar kingdom persevered," says S. W.
Baron. "It waged a more or less effective defense against all foes
until the middle of the thirteenth century, when it fell victim to the
great Mongol invasion set in motion by Jenghiz Khan. Even then it
resisted stubbornly until the surrender of all its neighbours....But
before and after the Mongol upheaval the Khazars sent many offshoots
into the unsubdued Slavonic lands, helping ultimately to build up the
great Jewish centres of eastern Europe." 46

"Here, then," remarks Arthur Koestler, "we have the cradle of the
numerically strongest and culturally dominant part of modern Jewry."

The ancient Hebrew nation had started branching into the Diaspora
long before the destruction of Jerusalem. Ethnically, the Semitic
tribes on the waters of the Jordan and the Turko-Khazar tribes on the
Volga were of course 'miles apart', but they had at least two important
formative factors in common. Each lived at a focal junction where the
great trade routes connecting east and west, north and south intersect;
a circumstance which predisposed them to become nations of traders, of
enterprising travellers, or 'rootless cosmopolitans' -- as hostile
propaganda has unaffectionately labelled them. But at the same time
their exclusive religion fostered a tendency to keep to themselves and
stick together, to establish their own communities with their own
places of worship, schools, residential quarters and ghettoes
(originally self-imposed) in whatever town or country they settled.
This rare combination of wanderlust and ghetto-mentality, reinforced by
Messianic hopes and chosen-race pride, both ancient Israelites and
mediaeval Khazars shared -- even though the latter traced their descent
not to Shem [S[h]emites] but to Japheth." [underscore supplied]

This more recent "Diaspora" resulted in a strong, oftentimes
politically overwhelming, Khazar/Jewish influence in especially Hungary
and Poland, but also in the whole of Eastern Europe. Jews were found in
positions of power and political influence in virtually every major
category of life, business and society. There may have already been a
small population of what Koestler calls "real Jews" living in that
region, "but there can be little doubt that the majority of modern
Jewry originated in the migratory waves of ... Khazars who play such a
dominant part in early Hungarian history".

The Khazar influx into the Hungary/Poland region was only a small
part of an overall "mass-migration" from their homeland to Eastern and
Central Europe. They were employed as "mintmasters, administrators of
the royal revenue, controllers of the salt monopoly [at that time salt
was a valuable commodity often used in place of money. From this comes
the saying "worth his salt".] , taxcollectors and 'money-lenders' --
i.e., bankers."47

Western European Jews historically displayed such a talent and
acumen at trading and as userers (money lenders) that in virtually any
society and culture in which they found themselves, they became the
possessors of and controlling influence over large portions of that
nation's wealth. "In the 'dark ages' the commerce of Western Europe,"
wrote Cecil Roth in the 1973 edition of The Encyclopedia Britannica,
"was largely in Jewish hands, not excluding the slave trade, and...Jew
and Merchant are used as almost interchangeable terms."

"The floating wealth of the country," Roth continued, "was soaked
up by the Jews, who were periodically made to disgorge into the
exchequer [national or royal treasury]" 48 It was evident that the
ruling class periodically became intimidated by the mass of their
nation's wealth accumulating to the hands of so small a minority -- and
a very clannish minority at that. This would logically give any ruling
authority cause for concern -- when a particular group virtually
controls the nation's economics while at the same time appearing to
have a tenuous allegiance to the country in which they reside. Such a
course of events evidently led to the creation of a stereotyping
blueprint for Jews and Jewish communities that has been expressed --
and reacted to -- in various cultures for centuries.

"The nucleus of modern Jewry," remarks Koestler, "thus followed the
old recipe: strike out for new horizons but stick together." 49 This,
as previously mentioned, was the course of Western European Jews, but
the similarity between them and the Khazarian Jews is striking,
especially in their unequalled aptitude at things economical and
political.

This mass of historical data "has lead several historians to
conjecture that a substantial part, and perhaps the majority of eastern
Jews -- and hence of world Jewry -- might be of Khazar, and not of
Semitic Origin."

The far-reaching implications of this hypothesis may explain the
great caution exercised by historians in approaching this subject -- if
they do not avoid it altogether. Thus in the 1973 edition of the
Encyclopaedia Judaica the article "Khazars" is signed by Dunlop, but
there is a separate section dealing with "Khazar Jews after the Fall of
the Kingdom", signed by the editors, and written with the obvious
intent to avoid upsetting believers in the dogma of the Chosen Race.
[underscore supplied] 50

Abraham N. Poliak, Tel Aviv University's post-war Professor of
Mediaeval Jewish History, wondered at "how far we can go in regarding
this [Khazar] Jewry as the nucleus of the large Jewish settlement in
Eastern Europe. The descendants of this settlement," Poliak declares,
"those who stayed where they were, those who emigrated to the United
States and to other countries, and those who went to Israel --
constitute now the large majority of world Jewry. [emphasis supplied]
51 Some historians, such as Austrian Hugo Kutschera, assert that
Eastern European Jewry was not part, but entirely of Khazarian origin.
52

Still further proof that the Jews of Eastern Europe had no origins
in the West is Yiddish, the language commonly used by the Eastern Jews.
Yiddish was, until the latter part of the twentieth century, a dying
language. It is an amalgamation of several tongues, primarily Hebrew,
and written with Hebrew characters, but which includes much of
mediaeval German and components of other languages like Slavonic. The
German elements incorporated into Yiddish have been clearly shown to
have originated in the east of Germany where it joined the Slavonic
regions of Eastern Europe. Yiddish is a sort of linguistic "sponge" in
that it readily absorbs and incorporates whatever words or idiomatic
expressions best suit its purpose. It would therefore naturally have
become a cultural marker for whatever region in which it was spoken,
absorbing the telltale indicators of dialect like a tattoo. 53

Another respected Austrian historian, Matisyohu Meises, questions,
"Could it be that the generally accepted view, according to which the
German Jews once upon a time immigrated from France across the Rhine,
is misconceived?" Meises, who knew virtually nothing about the Khazars,
was perplexed at the fact that no Yiddish linguistic roots whatever
could be traced to Western Europe. He also noted that, inexplicably,
there was a large geographical gap clearly delineating the Yiddish
spoken by the Eastern Khazar transplants from any spoken in Western
Europe. 54

"The evidence," Mr. Koestler nicely summates, "...adds up to a
strong case in favour of those modern historians -- whether Austrian,
Israeli or Polish -- who, independently from each other, have argued
that the bulk of modern Jewry is not of Palestinian, but of Caucasian
origin. The mainstream of Jewish migrations did not flow from the
Mediterranean across France and Germany to the east and then back
again. The stream moved in a consistently westerly direction, from the
Caucasus through the Ukraine into Poland and thence into Central
Europe. When that unprecedented mass-settlement in Poland came into
being, there were simply not enough Jews around in the west to account
for it; while in the east a whole nation was on the move to new
frontiers." 55

With the overwhelming evidence that the modern Jewish population is
of Khazar origin, Koestler remarks that this would clearly indicate
that "their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not
from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of
the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to
the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob." This conclusion would then logically render the epithet
"anti-Semitism" "void of meaning," Koestler says.

The latter conclusion is a position Palestinian Arabs might well
dispute with Mr. Koestler due to the fact that this revelation
ironically places the modern Jew, currently occupying Palestine, in the
unenviable position of, themselves, being anti-Semitic -- an historical
mockery of somewhat amazing proportions. 56

But what, one may ask, became of the greater part of the population
of "real Jews"?

Towards the close of the ninth century the Jewish settlements of
Germany, who were nearly all of Semitic origin, had been virtually
wiped out by the "mob-hysteria" that resulted from the First Crusade in
1096. The Encyclopedia Britannica on the Crusades vividly sets forth
the mindset of the crusaders:

"He might butcher all, till he waded ankle-deep in blood, and then
at nightfall kneel, sobbing for very joy, at the altar of the Sepulchre
-- for was he not red from the winepress of the Lord?" 57

The Jews who found themselves in that "winepress" significantly
assisted in their own demise. Like those of Massada who committed mass
suicide rather than surrender to the armies of Rome, a great many of
the Jews of the Rhineland and surrounding countries, when presented
with the choice of baptism into "Christianity" or death at the hands of
their captors, chose neither, opting for the Massada solution.

Imitating on a grand scale Abraham's readiness to sacrifice Isaac,
fathers slaughtered their children and husbands their wives. These acts
of unspeakable horror and heroism were performed in the ritualistic
form of slaughter with sacrificial knives sharpened in accordance with
Jewish law. At times the leading sages of the community, supervising
the mass immolation, were the last to part with life at their own
hands. In the mass hysteria, sanctified by the glow of religious
martyrdom and compensated by the confident expectation of heavenly
rewards, nothing seemed to matter but to end life before one fell into
the hands of the implacable foes and had to face the inescapable
alternative of death at the enemy's hand or conversion to Christianity.
58

Of the German cities of Worms and Spires, being somewhat
representative of the whole of Western European communities that were
devastated by the Crusades, Salo Baron writes, "the total Jewish
population of either community had hardly exceeded the figures...given
for the dead alone". 59

The most common historical concept, before the modern revelation of
the existence of Khazaria, was that the 1096 Crusade literally "swept
like a broom" virtually the entire German Jewish population into
Poland. This was an invention of apparent necessity because those
historians could account by no other means for the inexplicably large
population of Eastern European Jews. They concluded this in the face of
the total absence of any historical account of a mass migration of Jews
to eastern Germany and certainly not Poland.

By the close of the 1300s much of Western Europe was, for all
practical purposes, completely empty of any perceivable Jewish
population. What the Crusades failed to accomplish in the eradication
of Western European Jewry the "Black Death" -- the Bubonic Plagues of
the bacilli Pasteurella pestis -- virtually completed. Those Jews of
that era suffered doubly; from the plague itself and from the
proliferation of superstitious rumours that they were responsible for
the disease by poisoning wells, just as they were blamed earlier for
"the ritual slaughter of Christian children." This resulted in the
burning alive of Jews in great numbers over the whole of Europe. 60
Later some of the Sephardic Jews of Spain immigrated northward,
accounting for some of the smaller Jewish populations of Western
Europe.

"Because of the long and varied history of the Jews," says the 2001
edition of World Book Encyclopedia, "it is difficult to define a Jew.
There is no such thing as a Jewish race. Jewish identity is a mixture
of religious, historical, and ethnic factors." Thus, those who might
have truly claimed to be of the genealogy of Abraham and of true
Semitic origin became extinct as a discernible race, being replaced by
the white Khazars of the Transcaucasus, none of whose ancestors, as
Benjamin Freedman phrases it, have ever placed a foot in the land of
Palestine. This causes a serious problem with modern Christianity's
infatuation with the Jews and their "return to their Homeland," begging
the question: How can one return to a place where they have never been?
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in Central Asia
"A THOUSAND YEARS before the establishment of the Modern State of
Israel, there existed a Jewish kingdom in the eastern fringes of
Europe, astride the Don and Volga rivers..." So begins a thesis by
Jewish author Kevin Alan Brook. The kingdom of which he speaks appears
at first consideration to be comprised of nearly as much
disinformation, misinformation, "myth"information, and, curiously,
NO-information as there is actual provable historical fact. Yet upon
closer scrutiny this kingdom, known as Khazaria, or the Kingdom of the
Khazars, is clearly revealed in a vast body of historical evidence,
much of which has come to light only in the last three to five decades.
This mysterious kingdom, which has sculpted our modern world to an
astounding (and alarming) degree, once occupied an immense land area of
over a million square miles extending from western Hungary/Austria
eastward to the Aural Sea, north to the Upper Volga, and its southern
region extending to the Caucasus Mountains between the Black and
Caspian seas. It was at that time literally the largest country on
earth. It has only been in the last several decades, however, that
greater documented evidence from ancient manuscripts has come to light
and revealed the astonishing historical truth of this ancient kingdom
and its connection to the origins of modern-day Israel.
Though little known to the West, and, for that matter, to even
those currently occupying its ancestral land, the Khazar kingdom has
been responsible for substantially shaping the history and political
landscape of Europe and specifically Western Asia, but also to a
remarkable degree the entirety of human events on this planet.
Arthur Koestler, author of The Thirteenth Tribe, easily the most
expansive single work on the subject, states, "The story of the Khazar
Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the
most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated." 1
This is the story of a kingdom of belligerent, warlike Caucasian
nomads, having no linked ancestry with anything Israelite this side of
Noah, yet adopting Talmudic Judaism and becoming the dominant -- and
virtually only -- current force in twenty-first century international
Jewry.
During the course of this work salient facts and issues will be
presented without a too-extensive reliance on tedious historical
documentation. However, considering the delicacy of the subject --
especially in this modern age where any divergence from certain agendas
for "political correctness" can result in epithets of racism or
anti-Semitism -- and for the obvious sake of accuracy, reasonably
comprehensive documentation is necessary.
In this it will be shown that the cry of "anti-Semitism" hurled
against those who do oppose the international actions of ones calling
themselves Jews, would be much like an immigrated Scotsman to America
deciding to live on an Apache Indian reservation, coming to dominate
its politics and economics, and then claiming that anyone disagreeing
with his political and social agenda is racist and anti-Apache in their
beliefs.
What under different circumstances could prove to be a dry treatise
on Eastern European Jewish history is, if closely examined, actually a
narrative of events that have laid a sequential pathway to, and beyond,
the destruction of the New York World Trade Center on September 11,
2001. This historical time line has been fixed in its present course,
which, by all appearances and in a most unexpected manner, is
culminating in the fulfillment of the Biblical prophecies of
Armageddon. But then, it has always been so with prophecy. The most
consistent aspect in the nature of prophetic fulfillment is that it is
consistently surprising. God has invariably worked to complete His
desires, prophetically, in ways that have not been understood until
revealed in retrospect -- in the light of their actual happening.
An Historical Perspective
Shortly after the death of Mohammed in AD 632, according to
Columbia University Professor, D. M. Dunlop, Arab armies began a
campaign northward, sweeping "through the wreckage of two empires and
carrying all before them till they reached the great mountain barrier
of the Caucasus. This barrier once passed," Dunlop observes, "the road
lay open to the lands of eastern Europe." 2 Had the Caliphate (the
armies of the Muslim Caliph) surmounted that immense geological
deterrent unchallenged, the history of Europe and, indeed, the rest of
the Judeo-Christian world would have been vastly different than it now
is.
It was at the Caucasus, however, that the Arabs encountered the
Khazars, initiating a war that lasted over a century and effectively
prevented Europe from becoming Islamic. So powerful, socially and
militarily, were the Khazars that, as Kevin Alan Brook relates in his
work The Jews of Khazaria, "a 10th-century emperor of the Byzantines
[Roman Empire], Constantine Porphyrogenitus, sent correspondence to the
Khazars marked with a gold seal worth 3 solidi - more than the 2 solidi
that always accompanied letters to the Pope of Rome, the Prince of the
Rus, and the Prince of the Hungarians." 3
Rutgers University Professor Peter Golden, referred to by Brook as
"one of the principal authorities on the Khazars," wrote, "Every
schoolchild in the West has been told that if not for Charles Martel
and the battle of Poitiers there might be a mosque where Notre Dame now
stands. What few schoolchildren are aware of," Golden emphasizes, "is
that if not for the Khazars...Eastern Europe might well have become a
province of Islam." 4
The Khazarian mounted forces, with a soldiery of mainly Turkic and
pagan origin, could at times and when accounted for, show a disastrous
fierceness and cruelty to the enemies of Khazaria. They were also
probably the most disciplined, as well as tactically and strategically
the most potent, martial power at that time and in that region.
Evidence that they were supremely calculating in their approach to
international matters lay in the fact that, in contrast to their
brutality, Khazar officials were often consulted as diplomatic
emissaries and mediators by all the political powers surrounding
Khazaria. The Khazars and their empire were at that time both highly
respected and greatly feared -- with good reason. 5
At the peak of their empire it is believed that the Khazars had a
permanent standing army that could have numbered as many as one hundred
thousand and controlled or exacted tribute, astonishingly, from thirty
different nations and tribes inhabiting the vast territories between
the Caucasus, the Aral Sea, the Ural Mountains and the Ukrainian
steppes. 6 , 7 During their zenith, Khazaria completely girded the
lands of what are currently Astrakhan, Kalmykia, Daghestan, Volgograd,
Rostov, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkarsk, North Ossetia, and Chechnya.
"At its maximum extent (in the ninth century)," says Brook, "Khazaria
not only encompassed the northern Caucasus and the Volga delta, but
also extended as far west as Kiev [Russia]." 8
Soviet archaeologist M. I. Artamonov states that, for a century and
a half, the Khazars were the supreme masters of the southern half of
Eastern Europe and presented a virtually impenetrable bulwark, blocking
the Ural-Caspian gateway from Asia into Europe. During that entire
period, they held back the onslaught of the nomadic tribes from the
East. 9
Until recently, a great part of the problem with the historical
obscurity of ancient Khazaria lay with the fact that the geographical
area of the country was part of the Soviet Union, which insisted on
interpreting archaeological data "within the framework of Marxist
historical materialism." 10 This Iron Curtain version of historical
revisionism caused the Soviets to interpret that data in such a way as
to present as fact that which was well fabricated -- but wrong.
This peculiar and obscure race inhabiting that land were described
as blue-eyed and of very fair complexion. Commonly they had long
reddish hair and were reported as very large of stature and fierce of
countenance. 11 Other sources have added observations that there were
"Black Khazars" and "White Khazars," noting that the latter were
"light-skinned and handsome, while the former were dark-skinned." This
has, however, been rather conclusively refuted by scholars who have
established that the distinction was not racial but social. The "Black"
or "Kara" Khazars constituted the lower strata or caste, while the
"White" or "Ak" Khazars were of the noble or royal classes. This type
of class distinction was fairly common in Eastern Europe as evidenced
by the more commonly known terms "Black Russian" and "White Russian,"
denoting not skin color but class. 12
In his book An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples,
Peter Golden claims that the Chinese T'and-shu chronicle describes the
Khazars, generally, as "...tall, with red-hair, ruddy-faced and
blue-eyed. Black hair is considered a bad omen." 13
THE KHAZARS OF CONQUEST AND WAR
Of the ferocity and warlike tendencies of the Khazars there is
little doubt and much historical evidence, all of it pointing to a race
of people so violent in their dealings with their fellow men that they
were feared and abhorred above all peoples in that region of the world.
The Arab chronicler Ibn-Said al-Maghribi writes, "they are to the
north of the inhabited earth towards the 7th clime, having over their
heads the constellation of the Plough. Their land is cold and wet.
Accordingly their complexions are white, their eyes blue, their hair
flowing and predominantly reddish, their bodies large and their natures
cold. Their general aspect is wild." 14
The ninth-century monk Druthmar of Aquitaine, in his commentary on
Matthew 24:14 in Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, stated that the
Gazari, or Khazars, dwelt "in the lands of Gog and Magog." 15
Legends and stories abound, some of which are true according to the
above quoted Aquitaine monk, that center around Alexander the Great and
his attempt to enclose the Khazars and quarantine them, due to their
violent and barbaric nature, from the rest of the civilized world. This
endeavor apparently failed, Druthmar claimed, and they escaped. Some
legends even claim they were cannibals. 16
After the kingdom's conversion to Judaism, the term "Red Jews" came
into usage out of the superstition of medieval Germans, who equated
their red hair and beards and their violent nature with deceit and
dishonesty. It is also well documented that they heavily taxed those
passing through their lands, for none dared refuse them. 17
According to Benjamin H. Freedman, himself a Jew and an apparent
long-time associate and confidant of presidents and statesmen, in an
address presented in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., the
Khazars were so belligerent and hostile that they were eventually run
out of Asia and scattered amongst the nations of Eastern Europe.
Heinrich von Neustadt, around 1300, wrote of them as the "terrifying
people of Gog and Magog." 18
The territory of the Bulgars, themselves legendary for their
fierceness in battle, was conquered by the Khazars in AD 642. A portion
of them fled westward to the region of the Danube in the Balkans and
formed what is now modern-day Bulgaria. 19 Even in modern times, Muslim
history recalls the Khazar raids and the terror of those inhabiting
that land. To this day they call the Caspian, Bahr-ul-Khazar -- "the
Khazar Sea." 20
It is not difficult to determine some of the motivating factors
behind the legendary Khazar ferocity in war. "When the bek [the Khazar
head of the military and second in command only to the Kagan himself]
sends out a body of troops, they do not in any circumstances retreat.
If they are defeated, every one who returns to him is
killed....Sometimes he cuts every one of them in two and crucifies them
and sometimes he hangs them by the neck from trees." 21
Logically it seems that this would not likely happen more than
once, since reason would reveal to even the dullest soldier that defeat
was not an option. Such a practice would also have provided a strong
impetus to the legend of Khazar fierceness since, when faced with the
choice of winning in battle or facing a worse death at home, the
options -- and the rational responses to them -- become painfully
distinct.
All of these facts, mingled with the semi-factual legends of
Alexander the Great and his attempts to wall up the Red Jews and
isolate them, has led to the numerous mythologies of the coming escape,
at the end of time, of Gog and Magog from the area enclosed by the
Caucasus Mountains. This, as the legends say, in order to fulfill Bible
prophecy in the final destruction of the world. Indeed, even Islam has
such legends in its mythology.
In a writing by the Imam Ibn Kathir, he asserts that the prophet
Mohammed has claimed, "Every day, Gog and Magog are trying to dig a way
out through the barrier [the Caucasus mountains]. When they begin to
see sunlight through it, the one who is in charge of them says, 'Go
back; you can carry on digging tomorrow,' and when they come back, the
barrier is stronger than it was before. This will continue until their
time comes and Allah wishes to send them forth." 22
As shall be shown, the Muslims to the south of the Khazarian
kingdom had good reason to attach such legends to their ferocious
northern neighbors.
However, no nation can long survive,no matter how strong, by being
exclusively belligerent, and the Khazars were not an exception to this.
As a vital addition to their brutality they were possessed of a native,
calculating wisdom in knowing, as the gambler's creed says, "when to
hold 'em and when to fold 'em". This prescient political sense became
evident in their diplomatic encounters with the Romans. The Roman
Emperor Heraclius, in 627, formed a military alliance with the Khazars
for the purpose of a final defeat of the Persians. Upon the first
meeting of the Khazar king, Ziebel, with the Roman Emperor, the Khazars
displayed, in full array, their skills at diplomatic flattery -- skills
that would serve them well and would not disappear with their kingdom.
He "with his nobles dismounted from their horses," says Gibbon, "...and
fell prostrate on the ground, to adore the purple of the Caesar." So
enamored was the Byzantine Emperor with this display of obeisance that
it eventually led to the offer, along with many riches, of the Caesar's
daughter Eudocia in marriage. 23 That union never took place due to the
death of Ziebel while Eudocia was enroute to Khazaria. However, after
the final defeat of Islam's designs on the Northern Kingdom in AD 730,
a marriage between a Khazar princess and the heir to the Byzantine
Roman Empire resulted in an offspring who was to rule Byzantium as Leo
the Khazar. Thus the "King of the North" had skilfully managed to place
himself on the throne of the Roman Empire. 24
After the defeat of the Persians a new triangle of power emerged,
consisting of the "Islamic Caliphate, Christian Byzantium and the newly
emerged Khazar Kingdom of the North. It fell to the latter to bear the
brunt of the Arab attack in its initial stages, and to protect the
plains of Eastern Europe from the invaders." 25 Because of their unique
geographical location within the cusp created by the Caspian and Black
Seas on either side, and the frightful stone barrier of the Caucasus
Mountains along their southern border, defending their land was made
considerably easier. This situation of geography was, according to
historians, one of the major factors in shaping the history of Eastern
Europe, the European continent, and ultimately the world.
The Khazars had, for years, been venturing forth southward, in
their marauding raids on the Muslim countries south of the Caucasus.
Now, in the early part of the seventh century, Islam came northward
through the same Kasbek Pass the Khazars had used, and began a long war
with the "Northern Kingdom." The major attempt of the Muslim armies to
take control of the Transcaucasus came in 622 while Mohammed was still
leading Islam. They conquered "Persia, Syria, Mesopotamia, Egypt, and
surrounded the Byzantine heartland (present-day Turkey) in a deadly
semi-circle, which extended from the Mediterranean to the Caucasus and
the southern shores of the Caspian." This began a long series of
incursions by both sides (Khazaria and Islam) that lasted for another
thirty years. These wars eventually saw the Arabs defeated at every
advance, finally ending in 652 with the death of four thousand Arab
soldiers, including their commander, Abdal-Rahman ibn-Rabiah, and the
Arab armies in complete disarray.
This inability to traverse the Caucasus successfully, made it
logistically impossible for the Muslim armies to create an effective
siege against the Roman capital of Constantinople. "Had they been able
to outflank the capital across the Caucasus and round the Black Sea,"
says Arthur Koestler, "the fate of the Roman Empire would probably have
been sealed." 26 It was this fortuitous situation, coupled with the
military barrier presented by the Khazars themselves, that prevented
Europe from coming under the crescent moon of Islam and creating a very
different history than that which has been.
Following this expulsion of the Arabs from the Khazar homeland, the
kingdom began to war for territory rather than spoil, "incorporating
the conquered people into an empire with a stable administration, ruled
by the mighty Kagan [the title given the Khazar king, sometimes spelled
Khagan], who appointed his provincial governors to administer and levy
taxes in the conquered territories. At the beginning of the eighth
century their state was sufficiently consolidated for the Khazars to
take the offensive against the Arabs" rather than merely defending
themselves against Muslim attacks. 27
There was a brief period of Muslim incursion into Khazaria where
the Caliph Marwin II, in a surprise, two-pronged attack, drove the
Khazars as far back in their own land as the Volga region. His only
terms for peace were that the Kagan convert to the "True Faith" --
Islam -- with which the Khazar king complied, but apparently only long
enough for the Muslim Caliph to withdraw back across the Caucasus. This
incident preceded by only a few years the Khazar monarch's conversion
to Judaism. Most historians agree as to the motivation behind the
Caliph's withdrawal. The Muslim ruler apparently realised that, unlike
the more civilised Persians, Armenians or Georgians, the barbaric
Khazars could not be kept under military rule at such a distance.
As mentioned previously, most historical accounts credit Charles
Martel and his Francs for saving Europe from Islam. This Anglicanized
version of history does not, either by ignorance or design, consider
the fact that the Franco defence of Western Europe would have been
futile had not the Khazars stopped the Muslim onslaught from the east.
The astounding historical result of all this is that the Khazar
kingdom was able, eventually, to set up and depose an emperor from the
throne of the greatest ruling power on earth at that time, The
Roman/Byzantine Empire. 28 This, apparently, was only the beginning,
though the records of antiquity, until recently, have largely lost
sight of this historically obscure but immensely influential people.
An interesting side note to the legendary Khazarian ferocity again
reveals their budding nature as negotiators and consummate politicians,
a talent that only intensified under Talmudic Judaism. In The
Thirteenth Tribe, Koestler tells of the Byzantine Emperor, Theodosius
II, who was intent on securing the friendship of the warrior race, "but
the greedy Khazar chieftain, named Karidach, considered the bribe
offered to him inadequate, and sided with the Huns. Attila defeated
Karidach's rival chieftains, installed him as the sole ruler of the
Akatzirs [a name given the "White Khazars"], and invited him to visit
his court. Karidach thanked him profusely for the invitation, and went
on to say that 'it would be too hard on a mortal man to look into the
face of a god. For, as one cannot stare into the sun's disc, even less
could one look into the face of the greatest god without suffering
injury.' Attila must have been pleased, for he confirmed Karidach in
his rule."
The death of Atilla the Hun, however, precipitated the collapse of
the Hunnic empire and left an Eastern European power-vacuum which the
Khazars eventually filled. They then proceeded to subjugate all other
surrounding tribes to the extent that, shortly after their defeat,
those tribes went virtually unmentioned in subsequent historical
accounts. The Khazars had just swallowed them up, historically
speaking. The most difficult time they encountered in their conquests
was from the Bulgars, who were "crushingly defeated" around AD 641,
with a great many migrating westward toward the Danube, and as
previously mentioned, eventually establishing what is now modern
Bulgaria. 29
THE KHAZAR KINGDOM'S CONVERSION TO JUDAISM
"A warrior-nation of Turkish Jews must have seemed to the
[western] rabbis as strange as a circumcized unicorn." A. Koestler
According to Benjamin Freedman the Khazars' conversion to Judaism
was first precipitated by their monarch's abhorrence of the moral
climate into which his kingdom had descended. Freedman has claimed, and
other historians confirmed, that the "primitive" Khazars engaged in
extremely immoral forms of religious practices, among them phallic
worship. Animal sacrifices were also included in their rites.
The Khazar religious structure centered around a shamanism known as
Tengri, which incorporated the worship of spirits and the sky as well
as zoolatry, the worship of animals. Tengri was also the name of their
"immortal god who created the world," and the primary animal sacrifices
made to this deity were horses. 30
The actual mechanics of the Khazarian kingdom's turn to Judaism
was, most historians agree, rather well thought out -- from a
humanistic perspective at least -- rather than random and capricious as
some have believed.
According to George Vernadski, in his book A History of Russia, in
AD 860 a delegation of Khazars were sent to Constantinople (now known
as Istanbul), which was then what remained of the ancient capitol of
the old Roman Empire turned Christian under the Emperor Constantine.
We have known God the Lord of everything [referring here to Tengri]
from time immemorial ... and now the Jews are urging us to accept their
religion and customs, and the Arabs, on their part, draw us to their
faith, promising us peace and many gifts. 31
This appeal, in all its implications, was obviously made for the
purpose of drawing the Christian Roman Empire into the debate with an
eye perhaps toward a balanced argument amongst the major monotheistic
religions.
Brook makes the observation that "this statement reveals that the
Jews were actively seeking converts in Khazaria in 860." He also adds
that "in the year 860, [Christian] Saints Cyril and Methodius were sent
as missionaries to the Khazars by the Byzantine emperor Michael III
.... since the Khazars had requested that a Christian scholar come to
Khazaria to debate with the Jews and Muslims." 32
Inasmuch as the world has seldom (or perhaps never) witnessed any
culture of people more adept at the art of religious debate than
rabbinical Jews, the Khazar's conversion to Talmudic Judaism is not a
surprising outcome, given that such a forum was to be the determining
factor in their choice, rather than purely spiritual perceptions. The
outcome was even further assured by the fact that the Christian
representatives in the debate came from a church in the latter
formative years of the Holy Roman Empire in which, by that time,
spiritual sensitivity had become somewhat rare to nearly extinct.
It was at that period of time (about AD 740) that King Bulan of
Khazaria was reputed to have converted to Judaism. In the debate
amongst the Islamic mullah, the Christian priest and the Jewish rabbi,
each presented to the king the advantages and truths of his own
precepts of faith. This king, however, according to some accounts of
history, had his own logic for determining which he should embrace. He
asked each representative in turn, which of the other two faiths he
considered superior. The result was that the Muslim indicated Judaism
over Christianity, and the Christian priest chose it over Islam. The
king then concluded that Judaism, being the foundation upon which both
of the other monotheistic religions were built, would be that which he
and his subjects should embrace. The Khazars, themselves being
monotheistic, had also apparently expressed reservations about the
polytheistic nature of the Trinity doctrine of the Christians. 33
So as not to exclude the Islamic account of these events, the
following is taken by D. M. Dunlop from al-Bakri's eleventh century
"The reason for the conversion of the king of the Khazars, who had
previously been a heathen, to Judaism was as follows. He had adopted
Christianity. Then he recognised the wrongness of his belief and began
to speak with one of his governors about the concern with which he was
filled. The other said to him, O king, the People of the Book form
three classes. Invite them and enquire of them , then follow whichever
is in possession of the truth. So he sent to the Christians for a
bishop. Now there was with him a Jew skilled in debate, who disputed
with the bishop, asking him, What do you say about Moses, son of Amram,
and the Torah which was revealed to him? The other replied, Moses is a
Prophet, and the Torah is true. Then said the Jew to the king. He has
admitted the truth of my creed. Ask him now what he believes. So the
king asked him and he replied, I say that the Messiah, Jesus the son of
Mary, is the Word, and that he has made known the mysteries in the name
of God. Then the Jew said to the king of the Khazars, He confesses a
doctrine which I know not, while he admits what I set forth. But the
bishop was not strong in bringing proofs. So he invited the Muslims,
and they sent him a learned and intelligent man who understood
disputation. But the Jew hired someone against him who poisoned him on
the way, so that he died. And the Jew was able to win the king for his
religion." 34
Koestler presents an interesting alternative to these views. His
position was that the king's conversion was essentially a political
decision. "At the beginning of the eighth century," he writes, "the
world was polarized between the two super-powers representing
Christianity and Islam. Their ideological doctrines were welded to
power-politics pursued by the classical methods of propaganda,
subversion and military conquest."
It may be observed here that it is quite evident modern
Christianity has well learned this same form of statecraft (propaganda,
subversion and military conquest) inasmuch as they have torn a page
directly from the first millennium history of the church.
"The Khazar Empire represented a Third Force," Koestler continues,
"which had proved equal to either of them, both as an adversary and an
ally. But it could only maintain its independence by accepting neither
Christianity nor Islam -- for either choice would have automatically
subordinated it to the authority of the Roman Emperor or the Caliph of
Baghdad." 35
Although they suffered no want of protracted efforts by either
Islam or Christianity to convert the Khazars to their respective
religions, it resulted in no more than an exchange of political and
dynastic courtesies (i.e., intermarriages and shifting military
alliances, etc.). It was clear that the Khazars were determined to
preserve their supremacy as a "Third Force" in the world, and
undisputed leader of the countries and tribal nations of the
Transcaucasus. They saw that the adoption of one of the great
monotheistic religions would confer upon their monarch the benefit of
both prelatic and judicial authority that their system of shamanism
could not, and that the rulers of the other two powers clearly enjoyed.
36
J. B. Bury concurs: "There can be no question," he says, "that the
ruler was actuated by political motives in adopting Judaism. To embrace
Mohammadanism would have made him the spiritual dependent of the
Caliphs, who attempted to press their faith on the Khazars, and in
Christianity lay the danger of his becoming an ecclesiastical vassal of
the Roman Empire. Judaism was a reputable religion with sacred books
which both Christian and Mohammadan respected; it elevated him above
the heathen barbarians, and secured him against the interference of
Caliph or Emperor." 37
It would be illogical, however, to think that the Khazarian rulers
had embraced Judaism blindly without intimate knowledge of what they
were accepting. They had encountered the faith numerous times
throughout the preceding century from traders and refugees fleeing
persecution at the hands of the Romans, and, to a lesser degree, Jewish
flight from the Arab conquests of Asia Minor.
Benjamin Freedman expresses differently the science behind the
process of choosing a national Khazarian religion. He claims they were
much more informal and random, and not nearly so intellectual in their
approach.
It matters little what the mechanics were of the conversion of the
Khazar kingdom to Judaism. It matters only that it happened, and that
it happened with a clanging historical ring that resounds to the
present age.
"The religion of the Hebrews," writes John Bury, "had exercised a
profound influence on the creed of Islam, and it had been a basis for
Christianity; it had won scattered proselytes; but the conversion of
the Khazars to the undiluted religion of Jehovah is unique in history."
38
It is indeed a unique historical event, as Bury claims; however it
is also interesting that he should refer to their conversion to
Talmudic Judaism as "to the undiluted religion of Jehovah." It is
evident that present-day Ethiopian Jews would disagree with Mr. Bury on
this matter since they do not adhere to the precepts of the Talmud,
Mishnah, Midrash or any of the extra-biblical writings that have arisen
since the close of the Old Testament canon. These Jews of North Africa
claim only Torah as their scriptural authority. And, unlike their
distant "brothers" of the Talmud, they practice their religion quietly
and with relatively no involvement in worldly politics.
According to an ancient document entitled King Joseph's Reply to
Hasdai ibn Shaprut, Joseph (a later Khazarian king) stated that, "From
that time on the Almighty God helped him [King Bulan] and strengthened
him. He and his slaves circumcised themselves and he sent for and
brought wise men of Israel who interpreted the Torah for him and
arranged the precepts in order." 39
There appears to be as many historical accounts as to how King
Bulan was converted to Judaism as there are historians and mystics to
present them. Many of them involve visions of angels, such as the tale
by a Sephardic Jewish philosopher detailing a dream in which an angel
told the king that his "intentions are desirable to the Creator" but
the continued observance of shamanism was not. 40 In the aforementioned
document, King Joseph's Reply, its author claims that in that same
dream God promised King Bulan that if he would abandon his pagan
religion and worship the only true God that He would "bless and
multiply Bulan's offspring, and deliver his enemies into his hands, and
make his kingdom last to the end of the world".
It is believed by scholars that the dream was designed to simulate
the Covenant in Genesis and meant to imply "that the Khazars too
claimed the status of a Chosen Race, who made their own Covenant with
the Lord, even though they were not descended from Abraham's seed." 41
[emphasis supplied]
King Joseph corroborates this in his document as he claims to have
positively traced his family's ancestry back, not to Shem the father of
the "Shemites" or Semite peoples, but to another of Noah's sons.
"Though a fierce Jewish nationalist, proud of wielding the 'sceptre
ofJudah'," Koestler says, "he cannot, and does not, claim for them
Semitic descent; he traces their ancestry...to...Noah's third son,
Japheth; or more precisely to Japheth's grandson, Togarma, the ancestor
of all Turkish tribes."
Koestler adds a footnote to King Joseph's genealogical claims that
is piercingly relevant to this study: "It also throws a sidelight on
the frequent description of the Khazars as the people of Magog. Magog,
according to Genesis 10:2-3 was the much maligned uncle of Togarma."
Add to this that two other of the sons of Japheth, the progenitor of
the Khazars, are Meshech and Tubal, central figures in biblical
prophecies of the end times.
King Joseph's Reply also revealed that the successor to King Bulan,
his son Obediah, "reorganized the kingdom and established the [Jewish]
religion properly and correctly," bringing in numerous Jewish sages who
"explained to him the twenty-four books [the Torah], Mishnah, Talmud,
and the order of prayers."
This entrenchment in the Jewish religion outlasted the kingdom
itself and was transplanted, whole cloth, into the Eastern European
settlements of Russia and Poland. 42
Whatever the religious machinery (and/or chicanery) that was set in
motion to accomplish the task, the consequence is historically
undeniable that the Khazarian king was indeed converted to Talmudic
Judaism. And the temporal consequences of that conversion have rung
down through history like a warped and distorted bell, answering
clearly to prophetic declarations of the last days of earth's history.
THE DECLINE OF THE KHAZARS AND
THE EMERGENCE OF THE ASHKENAZIM
The Khazarian kingdom reached its peak of power and world influence
in the latter half of the eighth century. The death knell of their
empire was eventually seen in the dragon-headed ships of the Vikings
who were to cross and navigate all the major waterways in their
onslaughts. Even the legendary ferocity of the Khazars was outdistanced
by these Norsemen who "did not deign to trade until they failed to
vanquish; they preferred bloodstained, glorious gold to a steady
mercantile profit." 43 They were also called Rus, from which descended,
among others, the Russians.
Because historical Scandinavian literature did not begin until
after the time of the Vikings, little of actual fact is known of them,
with much of it apocryphal and contradictory and almost none of it
laudatory. Of their military powers, however, virtually all accounts
are in harmony. In his book, The Magyars in the Ninth Century, C. A.
"These people are vigorous and courageous and when they descend on
open ground, none can escape from them without being destroyed and
their women taken possession of, and themselves taken into slavery." 44
berserksgangr, from which is derived the English word berserk.
"Such were the prospects," says Koestler, "which...faced the
Khazars."
Even in light of their viciousness and military prowess, these
Norse Vikings focused their pillaging assaults on the Byzantine Roman
Empire, preferring to trade with the Khazars rather than to tangle with
them. Though eventually outmatched in ferocity, the Khazars were still
able, for a while, to exact their ten percent taxes even from the
Vikings on all of their "cargo" (more correctly spelled plunder) that
passed through their land.
An interesting story emerges from this period of the Khazar Empire
that gives a clear vignette of the emerging cultural schematic that was
eventually to be scattered throughout the world.
In 912 the Rus Vikings, with an armada of 500 ships, each manned by
100 warriors, were set on invading and plundering the Muslim lands
south of the Khazars, with whom the Khazars had a loose alliance of
protection due to the thousands of loyal Muslims in the Kagan's army.
The Rus commander sent a letter to the Kagan asking permission to pass
through his territory, to which the Khazar king acceded on condition of
receiving half of the spoils upon their return.
On the Viking's return from their bloody mission, and paying the
tribute required by the Khazars, the Muslims loyal to the Khazarian
monarch, who lived in the eastern part of his kingdom, requested of the
Kagan that they be permitted to fight the Vikings in retaliation for
what they had done to their brethren to the south. The king granted
them permission to do so, which resulted in the complete eradication of
the Rus force -- except for five thousand who escaped and were
subsequently killed by the Butas and Bulgars to the north.
Here pictured is a classical perspective of what was to become the
Khazar/Jewish heritage in nearly all their dealings -- business, social
or cultural: a king who becomes a willing though passive confederate of
marauding Rus/Vikings, claims half of the loot they have taken in their
bloody assault, licenses a retributive attack against them by Muslims
under his own command, but then informs the Vikings of the imminent
reprisal he himself has authorised. 45
The weakening of the Khazar military influence had a very wide and
unexpected influence in that it greatly hastened the extinction of the
Byzantine Empire. They no longer had a powerful force on their eastern
borders to prevent the Vikings, Mongols and others from invading an
already weakened dominion. This, and internal factions within Khazaria,
was the prolog to the scattering of the Khazar/Jewish seed throughout
Russia and eastern Europe -- and eventually, as shall be shown, to the
reshaping of world history.
The swan song of the Khazar kingdom was not a precipitous decline
in a climactic or decisive series of battles, but rather a gradual,
evolutionary succumbing to superior forces over a protracted period of
time.
"In general, the reduced Khazar kingdom persevered," says S. W.
Baron. "It waged a more or less effective defense against all foes
until the middle of the thirteenth century, when it fell victim to the
great Mongol invasion set in motion by Jenghiz Khan. Even then it
resisted stubbornly until the surrender of all its neighbours....But
before and after the Mongol upheaval the Khazars sent many offshoots
into the unsubdued Slavonic lands, helping ultimately to build up the
great Jewish centres of eastern Europe." 46
"Here, then," remarks Arthur Koestler, "we have the cradle of the
numerically strongest and culturally dominant part of modern Jewry."
The ancient Hebrew nation had started branching into the Diaspora
long before the destruction of Jerusalem. Ethnically, the Semitic
tribes on the waters of the Jordan and the Turko-Khazar tribes on the
Volga were of course 'miles apart', but they had at least two important
formative factors in common. Each lived at a focal junction where the
great trade routes connecting east and west, north and south intersect;
a circumstance which predisposed them to become nations of traders, of
enterprising travellers, or 'rootless cosmopolitans' -- as hostile
propaganda has unaffectionately labelled them. But at the same time
their exclusive religion fostered a tendency to keep to themselves and
stick together, to establish their own communities with their own
places of worship, schools, residential quarters and ghettoes
(originally self-imposed) in whatever town or country they settled.
This rare combination of wanderlust and ghetto-mentality, reinforced by
Messianic hopes and chosen-race pride, both ancient Israelites and
mediaeval Khazars shared -- even though the latter traced their descent
not to Shem [S[h]emites] but to Japheth." [underscore supplied]
This more recent "Diaspora" resulted in a strong, oftentimes
politically overwhelming, Khazar/Jewish influence in especially Hungary
and Poland, but also in the whole of Eastern Europe. Jews were found in
positions of power and political influence in virtually every major
category of life, business and society. There may have already been a
small population of what Koestler calls "real Jews" living in that
region, "but there can be little doubt that the majority of modern
Jewry originated in the migratory waves of ... Khazars who play such a
dominant part in early Hungarian history".
The Khazar influx into the Hungary/Poland region was only a small
part of an overall "mass-migration" from their homeland to Eastern and
Central Europe. They were employed as "mintmasters, administrators of
the royal revenue, controllers of the salt monopoly [at that time salt
was a valuable commodity often used in place of money. From this comes
the saying "worth his salt".] , taxcollectors and 'money-lenders' --
i.e., bankers."47
Western European Jews historically displayed such a talent and
acumen at trading and as userers (money lenders) that in virtually any
society and culture in which they found themselves, they became the
possessors of and controlling influence over large portions of that
nation's wealth. "In the 'dark ages' the commerce of Western Europe,"
wrote Cecil Roth in the 1973 edition of The Encyclopedia Britannica,
"was largely in Jewish hands, not excluding the slave trade, and...Jew
and Merchant are used as almost interchangeable terms."
"The floating wealth of the country," Roth continued, "was soaked
up by the Jews, who were periodically made to disgorge into the
exchequer [national or royal treasury]" 48 It was evident that the
ruling class periodically became intimidated by the mass of their
nation's wealth accumulating to the hands of so small a minority -- and
a very clannish minority at that. This would logically give any ruling
authority cause for concern -- when a particular group virtually
controls the nation's economics while at the same time appearing to
have a tenuous allegiance to the country in which they reside. Such a
course of events evidently led to the creation of a stereotyping
blueprint for Jews and Jewish communities that has been expressed --
and reacted to -- in various cultures for centuries.
"The nucleus of modern Jewry," remarks Koestler, "thus followed the
old recipe: strike out for new horizons but stick together." 49 This,
as previously mentioned, was the course of Western European Jews, but
the similarity between them and the Khazarian Jews is striking,
especially in their unequalled aptitude at things economical and
political.
This mass of historical data "has lead several historians to
conjecture that a substantial part, and perhaps the majority of eastern
Jews -- and hence of world Jewry -- might be of Khazar, and not of
Semitic Origin."
The far-reaching implications of this hypothesis may explain the
great caution exercised by historians in approaching this subject -- if
they do not avoid it altogether. Thus in the 1973 edition of the
Encyclopaedia Judaica the article "Khazars" is signed by Dunlop, but
there is a separate section dealing with "Khazar Jews after the Fall of
the Kingdom", signed by the editors, and written with the obvious
intent to avoid upsetting believers in the dogma of the Chosen Race.
[underscore supplied] 50
Abraham N. Poliak, Tel Aviv University's post-war Professor of
Mediaeval Jewish History, wondered at "how far we can go in regarding
this [Khazar] Jewry as the nucleus of the large Jewish settlement in
Eastern Europe. The descendants of this settlement," Poliak declares,
"those who stayed where they were, those who emigrated to the United
States and to other countries, and those who went to Israel --
constitute now the large majority of world Jewry. [emphasis supplied]
51 Some historians, such as Austrian Hugo Kutschera, assert that
Eastern European Jewry was not part, but entirely of Khazarian origin.
52
Still further proof that the Jews of Eastern Europe had no origins
in the West is Yiddish, the language commonly used by the Eastern Jews.
Yiddish was, until the latter part of the twentieth century, a dying
language. It is an amalgamation of several tongues, primarily Hebrew,
and written with Hebrew characters, but which includes much of
mediaeval German and components of other languages like Slavonic. The
German elements incorporated into Yiddish have been clearly shown to
have originated in the east of Germany where it joined the Slavonic
regions of Eastern Europe. Yiddish is a sort of linguistic "sponge" in
that it readily absorbs and incorporates whatever words or idiomatic
expressions best suit its purpose. It would therefore naturally have
become a cultural marker for whatever region in which it was spoken,
absorbing the telltale indicators of dialect like a tattoo. 53
Another respected Austrian historian, Matisyohu Meises, questions,
"Could it be that the generally accepted view, according to which the
German Jews once upon a time immigrated from France across the Rhine,
is misconceived?" Meises, who knew virtually nothing about the Khazars,
was perplexed at the fact that no Yiddish linguistic roots whatever
could be traced to Western Europe. He also noted that, inexplicably,
there was a large geographical gap clearly delineating the Yiddish
spoken by the Eastern Khazar transplants from any spoken in Western
Europe. 54
"The evidence," Mr. Koestler nicely summates, "...adds up to a
strong case in favour of those modern historians -- whether Austrian,
Israeli or Polish -- who, independently from each other, have argued
that the bulk of modern Jewry is not of Palestinian, but of Caucasian
origin. The mainstream of Jewish migrations did not flow from the
Mediterranean across France and Germany to the east and then back
again. The stream moved in a consistently westerly direction, from the
Caucasus through the Ukraine into Poland and thence into Central
Europe. When that unprecedented mass-settlement in Poland came into
being, there were simply not enough Jews around in the west to account
for it; while in the east a whole nation was on the move to new
frontiers." 55
With the overwhelming evidence that the modern Jewish population is
of Khazar origin, Koestler remarks that this would clearly indicate
that "their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not
from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of
the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to
the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob." This conclusion would then logically render the epithet
"anti-Semitism" "void of meaning," Koestler says.
The latter conclusion is a position Palestinian Arabs might well
dispute with Mr. Koestler due to the fact that this revelation
ironically places the modern Jew, currently occupying Palestine, in the
unenviable position of, themselves, being anti-Semitic -- an historical
mockery of somewhat amazing proportions. 56
But what, one may ask, became of the greater part of the population
of "real Jews"?
Towards the close of the ninth century the Jewish settlements of
Germany, who were nearly all of Semitic origin, had been virtually
wiped out by the "mob-hysteria" that resulted from the First Crusade in
1096. The Encyclopedia Britannica on the Crusades vividly sets forth
"He might butcher all, till he waded ankle-deep in blood, and then
at nightfall kneel, sobbing for very joy, at the altar of the Sepulchre
-- for was he not red from the winepress of the Lord?" 57
The Jews who found themselves in that "winepress" significantly
assisted in their own demise. Like those of Massada who committed mass
suicide rather than surrender to the armies of Rome, a great many of
the Jews of the Rhineland and surrounding countries, when presented
with the choice of baptism into "Christianity" or death at the hands of
their captors, chose neither, opting for the Massada solution.
Imitating on a grand scale Abraham's readiness to sacrifice Isaac,
fathers slaughtered their children and husbands their wives. These acts
of unspeakable horror and heroism were performed in the ritualistic
form of slaughter with sacrificial knives sharpened in accordance with
Jewish law. At times the leading sages of the community, supervising
the mass immolation, were the last to part with life at their own
hands. In the mass hysteria, sanctified by the glow of religious
martyrdom and compensated by the confident expectation of heavenly
rewards, nothing seemed to matter but to end life before one fell into
the hands of the implacable foes and had to face the inescapable
alternative of death at the enemy's hand or conversion to Christianity.
58
Of the German cities of Worms and Spires, being somewhat
representative of the whole of Western European communities that were
devastated by the Crusades, Salo Baron writes, "the total Jewish
population of either community had hardly exceeded the figures...given
for the dead alone". 59
The most common historical concept, before the modern revelation of
the existence of Khazaria, was that the 1096 Crusade literally "swept
like a broom" virtually the entire German Jewish population into
Poland. This was an invention of apparent necessity because those
historians could account by no other means for the inexplicably large
population of Eastern European Jews. They concluded this in the face of
the total absence of any historical account of a mass migration of Jews
to eastern Germany and certainly not Poland.
By the close of the 1300s much of Western Europe was, for all
practical purposes, completely empty of any perceivable Jewish
population. What the Crusades failed to accomplish in the eradication
of Western European Jewry the "Black Death" -- the Bubonic Plagues of
the bacilli Pasteurella pestis -- virtually completed. Those Jews of
that era suffered doubly; from the plague itself and from the
proliferation of superstitious rumours that they were responsible for
the disease by poisoning wells, just as they were blamed earlier for
"the ritual slaughter of Christian children." This resulted in the
burning alive of Jews in great numbers over the whole of Europe. 60
Later some of the Sephardic Jews of Spain immigrated northward,
accounting for some of the smaller Jewish populations of Western
Europe.
"Because of the long and varied history of the Jews," says the 2001
edition of World Book Encyclopedia, "it is difficult to define a Jew.
There is no such thing as a Jewish race. Jewish identity is a mixture
of religious, historical, and ethnic factors." Thus, those who might
have truly claimed to be of the genealogy of Abraham and of true
Semitic origin became extinct as a discernible race, being replaced by
the white Khazars of the Transcaucasus, none of whose ancestors, as
Benjamin Freedman phrases it, have ever placed a foot in the land of
Palestine. This causes a serious problem with modern Christianity's
infatuation with the Jews and their "return to their Homeland," begging
the question: How can one return to a place where they have never been?
Khazaria kingdom map
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To those who dont know, Prof A.K.Dewdney is an Author of Major books.
He is an Intellect.

http://www.physics911.net/advisory.htm

The War on Terror: General Advisory

by A. K. Dewdney

July 28, 2006

TO THE DIRECTORS OF MAJOR INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE UNITED
STATES, GREAT BRITAIN, AND ELSEWHERE

The War on Terror, currently being prosecuted by the United States and
its allies, is based entirely on the premise that the "terror attacks"
of September 11 2001 were planned and carried out by Arab/Muslim
extremists. The War has been given further impetus and justification by
additional attacks taking place in Bali, Indonesia, in Madrid, Spain,
in London, England, and elsewhere. However, it now appears that Al
Qaeda is an extensive "false flag" operation.

There is strong evidence that the attacks of September 11 were not
carried out by Arab/Muslim extremists. The aircraft that struck the
twin towers, as well as the Pentagon, were not the aircraft alleged to
have done so. The twin towers did not collapse as a result of fires
caused by the impact of incoming aircraft, but were brought down by
controlled demolition. Indeed, the WTC leaseholder at the time has
confessed on video to having brought down Building 7 (not struck by any
aircraft) by controlled demolition. There is a great deal of evidence,
all of it based on credible primary sources, that stands in direct
contradiction to the White House scenario, as portrayed in the 9/11
Commission and the NIST WTC reports. The latter documents are notable
only for their avoidance of the central issues raised by this evidence.

There is also strong evidence that the aforesaid bombings in Bali,
Madrid, and elsewhere were not the work of "terrorists," but staged
affairs.

Sadly, the mistaken nature of the War on Terror leaves us with only two
alternatives: Your agency is either aware of these facts or it is not.
We ask that you review the evidence and declare immediately for the
second alternative, informing your government in the process. We are
aware that precedents exist for the first alternative; the plan called
Operation Northwoods was approved by the Joint Chiefs in 1962. It
called for hijackings of passenger aircraft, blowing up a US ship, and
orchestrated terrorism in American cities - all to be blamed on Fidel
Castro.

It needs to be stressed that our analyses do not represent "theories"
of any kind. They are conclusions based on what can only be described
as "forensic analysis."

This message constitutes an open letter to intelligence agencies
generally. Specific versions have been sent by post to the directors of
the five major intelligence agencies in North America to see if a
response is forthcoming or not. Any such response will be posted here.

Our moral and legal duty to give formal warnings is hereby discharged.

Sincerely,

A. K. Dewdney, Coordinator
Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-eleven


THE SCIENTIFIC PANEL INVESTIGATING NINE-ELEVEN

The Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-eleven is an organization of
scientists, engineers, airline pilots, military and intelligence
officers, as well as experts in Islam and Politics. All have
professional credentials, with solid contributions in their respective
fields. The Panel maintains a website which contains much of the
relevant evidence and its analysis physics911.net.

This website also links to other groups, such as as Scholars for 911
Truth, Team Eight, German Engineers, and so on. See Scholars for 9/11
Truth.

Judging from the rapid growth in internet traffic at our sites, we are
in a position to declare that our view is rapidly gaining ground and
that sooner or later a majority of westerners will no longer believe
the official scenario. For example, as early as 2004, a Zogby poll
revealed that 49% of New Yorkers believed that the White House had
advance knowledge of the attacks.
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In his interview with Dr Fetzer, Bill Orielly made one meaningful
comment in the form of a stinging taunt. Basically he said why cant the
911 movement get front page coverage in any news media, say in France,
EU and elsewhere.
I will show you why it is now quite clear why Europeans are complicit
in the 9/11 crimes by their silence and by their SYSTEMATIC
exploitation of the event.
On the next day of controlled demolition or the false flag operation,
the mad dogs of NATO stood up and declared like a bunch of idiots and
UNCIVILIZED DOGS that an attack on any country of NATO is attack on all
the countries. Rather than asking for DISPASSIONATE investigation they
acted like war-maniacs. Thus, we must consider them as the PRIMARY
ENABLERS of Bush's war OF terror.
Systematically, each NATO country has exploited 9/11 to undermine and
harass their immigrant populations, mainly muslim, as they never could
under their existing constitutional covenants with the citizens.
France, was the first to ban veil for Islamic women and turbans for
Sikhs and Kappas and Yermulke for the Jewish men.
Denmark went on a systematic campaign of provoking Islamics by
cartoons, movies and plays.
Now, Britian has also made some offensive comments about veil using
several politicans as mouthpieces.
Prior to this, Russia staged false apartment complex bomb explosions to
start the Chechnya war and re-occupy it.
Even prior to this, the EUROPEAN/NATO bastards were involved in full
scale genocide in Bosnia by procrastinating for 10 long years. They had
no intention of acting in Kosovo, nor did Bush-1 (in Bosnia) had it not
been Monica Lewinsky who compelled Bill Clinton to act.
If we take a close look at the facts, each of these countries has a
full history of anti-semitism. Britian was the first country in Europe
to summarily expel the Jews. French anti-semitism is well known.
Vikings and the Dutch tribes annihilated the Khazar kingdom of the Jews
(Wikipedia). Russians in addition to history of serial pogroms were the
ones to produce the very creative forgery, the Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion.
European history of Anti-semitism is thoroughly odious, stinky and
full. They cant stand the sight of anyone looking slightly different
than them. For many other people, the human rights, the right of others
to diversity, the freedom of expression was an implicit given, and
never required writing as in constitution. Only the Odious Bastards of
Europe, steeped in intolerance and prejudice had to PERFORCE settle for
a compromise in the form of the democracy and constitution. Still they
are imperfect in following their own agreement and dont know how to
apply it properly. Anyone, would leave europe in a second, if other
countries in asia get nuclear weapons to stave off interference in
their internal affairs and the raw material resources.
Much of the scientific and technological progress in Europe has arisen
from thoroughly negative and atrocious mentality of greed and war.
Regardless, it is clear that implicitly all the european bastards know
that 9/11 conspiracy of 19 hijackers from a cave in afghanistan is a
forgery like the protocols of the elders of zion.
The Asians and Africans, even if their media talks about 911 truth is
irrelevant. The attack by the Euro-American Elite is on its own people
to create A CASTE SYSTEM. That is one of the main objectives of 9/11
besides bombing afghanistan, provoking DPRK to go nuclear and then
sending China, India, Pakistan and other arab countries on a wild goose
chase of war on terror to distract them from their priorities and to
create a split among themselves so that their resources can be easily
devouvered after Iraq has been sucked dry of its oil.
The goal of neutralizing China's progress is in the plan, to be
activated at a certain stage, and so is the goal of neutralizing
Russia's growth.
Lovely pictures of the honorable Rabbis of Neturei Karta with the
Iranian President Ahmadeinejad.
see on www.nkusa.org.
The truth of 911 is out of the bottle. Its not suppressable anymore.
THE ONLY THING TO FEAR NOW IS COWARDICE ITSELF.
United we stand, divide we fall.
The Truth Shall Make you Free
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
we know that The World Trade Center was intentionally demolished by a
high-energy causal process physically unrelated to plane crashes and
resulting fires
911 government account is now PROVABLY FALSE - Why are the BASTARDS
QUIET ?
We know, the mass murder was done by YANK and ZIONIST Bastards
together, and blamed on OBL to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, they
are back to square 1, on China's Back after Hainan, to increase the
currency value. Did anyone see those desperate pictures of Bush in
INDIA, sucking up to Manmohan Singh? Leaning extra six inches in the
photos towards Manmohan to FLATTER the Indian people. Certainly, there
is some BOOT-STRAPPING of Indian Image and economy to scare China after
having exploited their country for decades as a vast SLAVE LABOR camp
and then blaming them for running it !!! Remember, how Bush was unhappy
at the Death of Kalpana Chawala, cherry picked to create the MYTH of
US-India friendship? But the shuttle blew up - a divine act against the
ANTI-CHRIST. Now they have cherry picked another Indian girl. Yet
others are some Zionist Neocon advisors helping specific Indian
industries to make image making rise, eg Mettal. The idea is to
purposely sabotage China's global rise and steady progress. The Bush
and Neocon principle of politics is by deception, spying, scaring and
myth-making. It has been very successful in the PAST. The creation of
Israel on the land of Palestine was thru the false myth as the Rabbi's
of Neturei Karta have explained to us. The free book on the internet,
Min Ha Mitzer, From the Depths or "Holocaust Victims Accuse" [the
zionists] is available as a pdf for download. Its written wy Rabbi
Wasserman who was himself in the Aushwitz. Similarly, 911 was a fake
myth.Its best described in the words of Philosophy Professor James
Fetzer.
footnote: Bush's pretense of RELOGISITY is a MYTH. He screwed numerous
girls in his drinking years.
www.st911.org
he Science of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not
Propaganda by the government and the corporate media would have us
believe that the 9/11 "inside job" hypothesis is not merely
controversial but unsupported by proof. That is wrong. Academics,
experts, and scholars who have examined the physical evidence and
considered this event within its historical context tend to converge in
agreement that the inside-job hypothesis is, in fact, strongly
supported by the available evidence, while the version advanced in The
9/11 Commission Report is not only false but provably false and in
crucial respects physically impossible. That the official account of
9/11 is a lie and that 9/11 appears to have been an inside job is no
longer a matter of serious scientific debate.
Even though the broad outlines of what happened are no longer
controversial--for example, we know that The World Trade Center was
intentionally demolished by a high-energy causal process physically
unrelated to plane crashes and resulting fires--the precise details of
how the perpetrators carried out the attack remains the subject of
intense controversy. From a political point of view, this controversy
may be insignificant. What we know with relative certainty about 9/11
is already the story of the century: it demands re-thinking our
history, our politics, perhaps even our way of life. But from a
scientific rather than political standpoint, controversial questions
about what may have happened on 9/11 are fascinating and
challenging--not least of all because they could lead to a better
understanding of 9/11 with respect to its social and political
significance.
In an attempt to clarify these matters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be
hosting a conference entitled "The Science of 9/11: What's
Controversial, What's Not", to be held in mid- to late-July in Madison,
WI. I think we can all agree that the most important dimension of our
efforts is explaining why the "official account" that the government
has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even
here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has
not been proven to an extent that is sufficient to emphasize them as
"refutations" of the government's account, I am inviting Barrie Zwicker
to organize the opening session, a panel discussion on "disproofs" of
the government's account.
Following the opening session, there will be a keynote speaker and five
major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As
the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel
discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin
Towers. [Editor's note: I regret to report that Steve Jones has
declined.] I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on
non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry,
that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am
inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the
WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville. Each of these
sessions would be of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration. I anticipate there will
be a registration fee of $100 for the week-end long conference, which
will include a keynote address on Saturday evening.
While the program is at its tentative and preliminary stage, I am open
to suggestions for possible participants and additional topics. There
may be changes in the individuals responsible for some of these panels,
but my expectation would be that their focus will remain the same.
Anyone who has ideas they would like to share with me is welcome to
This conference should provide an opportunity for experts on complex
and technical scientific questions to explain their research and its
significance. My hope is that by "agreeing to disagree," and by
subjecting each others' research to rigorous but collegial criticism,
the attention-getting controversial aspects of 9/11 research may be
turned into a benefit, rather than a distraction, in the larger process
of seeking and exposing the truth about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
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The End of Civilization
Asset B20519 Posted By GWHunta

I had a mild epiphany the other day: it's not President Bush who's
living in a fantasy world, it's most of his critics who are.

People look at Bush's invasion of Iraq and see a miserable failure.
But a failure to do what? Democratize Iraq? Eliminate Iraq's WMD
arsenal? Reduce global terrorism? If those were, in fact, the reasons
for invading Iraq, then the invasion would have to be classified as a
failure.

But what if the real reason was to secure Iraq's oil supplies,
perhaps not for immediate use, and perhaps not even for use by the
United States? Then the invasion of Iraq would have to be judged a
success, a "mission accomplished," so to speak.

Or take Bush's seemingly irresponsible handling of the domestic
economy. How can any sane person fail to understand that cutting
revenue while increasing spending will produce deficits, and that those
deficits cannot increase in perpetuity? Sooner or later that
accumulated debt has got to have consequences. Bush appears to be
acting as if there were no tomorrow. But what if there really were no
tomorrow, financially speaking?

In that case, the reckless economic policies of today would not only be
irrelevant, but might actually be shrewd. I mean, if one knows that he
is not going to have to pay back his debts tomorrow, then why not
borrow money like crazy today? In fact, if civilization is coming to an
end, then why not use all that borrowed money to stock up on guns and
vital resources, such as oil?

Now, I'm just one person. And I've been closely studying economic,
environmental, and energy issues for only a few years. And I'm no
expert. Yet I've come to the conclusion - and I don't want to be
a "Chicken Little" here - that civilization as we have known it
for the last century is doomed. Our wasteful manner of living - the
sheer size of our human population - is unsustainable.

Everywhere you look you can see signs of strain on the Earth, from
spreading pollution of the air, water, and land, to disappearance of
life in the seas, to depletion of natural resources. Something's got
to give. Things simply cannot continue as they have.

If I can see this, I would guess the United States Government, what
with its thousands of full time experts, probably can too. Now, if you
are the government and your experts tell you that civilization as we
know it is doomed, what do you do?

Well, for starters, you do not tell your population of sheeple. That
would precipitate panic and result in premature doom, which would
consume the government along with everything else.

Above all, government seeks to survive, so you would maintain the
facade of normalcy for the benefit of your population while you use
what time you have left to prepare, as quietly as possible, for the
inescapable future.

What will matter in this future? Commodities, principally energy, food,
and water. Everything else is secondary. Money is far down the list in
importance.

So how would you, the government, prepare for a future world in which
commodities are king? By securing today as many of those commodities as
possible. Hence, the U.S. government's binge of military base
building throughout the commodity-rich regions of the world. What would
you not worry about? Money.

The only concern you might have for money is to prevent its premature
demise. Hence, the smoke and mirrors used to paint a pretty but false
portrait of the economy. Some will argue that the government needs more
than just energy, food, and water to survive.

True, but by controlling the bulk of the world's key commodities,
everything else can be procured, including human labor and loyalty.

In preparing for the future demise of civilization you would also seek
to increase the government's power as much and as rapidly as
possible. Why?
To maintain control over those increasingly precious resources, and
equally important, to control people - especially your own people -
by force, if necessary.

Viewed in this light, the government's aggressive pursuit of power
during the last five years makes perfect sense. Ironically, President
Bush got it right when he reportedly referred to the now totally
eviscerated United States Constitution as a "god damned piece of
paper." That's really all it is anymore.

So what fantasy world are Bush's critics living in? The fantasy world
in which civilization can continue as it has in the past. That we can
continue to improve the standard of living of everyone in the world if
we just return to a more sharing and egalitarian way of life, like that
which we enjoyed between World War II and the mid 1970s. This is a
fantasy.

The Earth has finite limits. We are finally starting to grasp that fact
with respect to oil. But oil depletion is merely the first in a series
of coming crises ensuing from the finite confines of our planet.

The fundamental problem - and I'm not a Malthusian - is that
there are simply too many people for the Earth to sustain. This is why
fish are disappearing from the oceans, why the supply of oil is unable
to keep up with demand, why the globe is being deforested, why animal
and plant species are going extinct, why water wars are in the offing.

Perhaps if people were wiser and more willing to share, and implicitly,
less greedy, we could sustain the more than six billion people on
Earth, but, alas, such idealism does not describe human beings.

The one thing that has enabled the human population to grow to the
immense dimensions we see today is oil, the resource facing the
greatest challenge from depletion. As the oil supply diminishes, in the
absence of herculean efforts to use oil more efficiently and fairly,
large numbers of human beings will die off.

Before then, soaring prices for oil will probably destroy the economies
of the countries most dependent on the stuff, if not the entire
intricately linked world economy. This is what I mean by the end of
civilization.

Of course life will go on.

excerpted from
The End Of Civilization
By Dave Eriqat
13 March, 2006
Countercurrents.org
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<snip>

Why don't you just post the URL like a sane person? You may want to spend a
few minutes deciding if it is appropriate for which ever group you choose to
send it to first as well...
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Democrats Prepare to Fund Longer War

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

This last Sunday Harry Reid, the incoming Democratic majority leader in
the US Senate, went on ABC's Sunday morning show and declared that a
hike in U.S. troops in Iraq is okay with him.

Here's the evolution of the Democrats' war platform since November 7,
2006, the day the voters presented a clear mandate: "End the war! Get
out of Iraq!" and took the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives
away from the Republicans.

So somewhat to their surprise the Democrats recaptured both the Senate
and the House. Then they went to work--to obliterate the mandate. The
first thing they did was reject Jack Murtha, the man who said "Quit
Now" in 2005. They voted down Murtha as House majority leader and
picked the pro-war Steny Hoyer.

Then Nancy Pelosi, chose Silvestre Reyes as House Intelligence
Committee chairman. Reyes promptly told Newsweek, "We're not going to
have stability in Iraq until we eliminate those militias, those private
armies. We have to consider the need for additional troops to be in
Iraq, to take out the militias and stabilize IraqI would say 20,000 to
30,000-for the specific purpose of making sure those militias are
dismantled, working in concert with the Iraqi military."

Reyes comes to his important post with an open mind, meaning an empty
one. He knows nothing of the region. This became clear in his brief
parley with a reporter from Congressional Quarterly who had the
impudence to ply him with questions at the end of a tiring day when men
of mature judgment head for the bar. CQ's man asked Reyes if Al Qaeda
was Sunni or Shiite.

Reyes tossed a mental coin. "Predominantly-probably Shiite." Wrong, of
course, since Al Qaeda is Sunni, of a notoriously intolerant strain.
It's as if Reyes had called the Pope a Presbyterian.

Then the pesky newshound probed him on the matter of Hezbollah.
"Hizbollah. Uh, Hizbollah" Reyes answered irritably. "Why do you ask me
these questions at 5 o'clock?"

Back in 2003 Reyes, a Vietnam vet, was opposed to the war. Give him
clout as Intelligence Committee chair and he starts citing John McCain
approvingly, even upping the mad Arizonan's troop-boost call by 10,000.

Next, the Democrats in the Senate gave unanimous confirmation to Robert
Gates as defense secretary. Gates has a career record as one who slants
intelligence to suit his bosses' political agenda. Recently, as
president of Texas A&M, he deep-sixed affirmation action as college
policy. The Democrats in the Senate could have stretched out the
hearings, grilled Gates closely on his plans, taxed him with his grimy
past as Bill Casey's second-in-command in the Contra-gate Era. Special
Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh said flatly in his memoirs that Gates was not
truthful in his 1991 confirmation hearings about his role.

Next, House Democrats welcomed the Iraq Study Group report of James
Baker and Jim Hamilton by promptly reaffirming the Palestinian Terror
Bill 2006", written by AIPAC.

Then, on December 17 the Democrats' Senate leader, Harry Reid, said it
was okay with him to send more troops to Iraq. This was the same Sunday
morning that Colin Powell, appearing on CBS, said a troop increase
"cannot be sustained" and that the thousands of additional U.S.
soldiers sent into Baghdad since the summer had been unable to
stabilize the city and more probably could not tip the balance, Powell
said.

Yesterday, it was instructive to go to the Democratic websites in the
wake of Reid's statement. Nothing on Daily Kos, nothing on Truthout,
nothing on any of them. They had many words about Republican
warmongering, about McCain's call for more troops. About Reid, one of
the top Democratic leaders, about the evolving Democratic
posture--nothing.

Now let's go to a Republican, U.S. Senator Gordon Smith of Oregon.
While the Democrat Reyes was calling for a troop hike, Smith was
proclaiming, "We have no business being a policeman in someone else's
civil war. I welcome the Iraq Study Group's report, but if we are
ultimately going to retreat, I would rather do it sooner than later."
Not cut and walk. Cut and run.

At least Gordon Smith can publicly concede that as things stand, the
Iraq mission is a disaster, and quitting time is here. No prominent
Democrats in Congress but Jack Murtha can bring themselves to do that.
(I include here Senator Slither, otherwise known as Barack Obama, who
trims to every shift in the wind.) The language is always of pleasing
schedules, in which a (fictional) entity called the Iraqi Army, at the
disposition of an (imaginary) power called the Iraqi government, can be
welded into an (entirely fantastical) nonsectarian force by (as yet
unavailable and putatively suicidal) US military trainers.

Suicidal? A poll cited by the Iraq Study Group found that 61 percent of
Iraqis believe that it is appropriate where possible to attack the US
occupying troops. Since the poll included Kurds, who are less hostile
to the US presence, we can assume that the percentage of Sunnis and
Shiites who think it a patriotic act to shoot or blow up a US soldier
is well above 61 percent. Now imagine yourself as a US trainer embedded
in an Iraqi unit, the vast majority of whose members believe it right
and proper to kill you. "Suicidal" seems to be the correct term. These
calls for a bigger US training force are complete hokum.

You would have thought that Democrats would rush to hang their hats on
the the bipartisan ISG report, calling for cut and walk. But the
long-awaited report is dead shortly after arrival. There aren't more
than a handful or so of Democrats who are going to be caught in the
same room as a report that calls for the return of the Golan Heights to
Syria and dares to raise the issue of the right of return of
Palestinians to their homeland.

In America these days persons in political life can describe reality
only if they are self-employed, with a guaranteed independent income
and above 75 years of age. Jimmy Carter and James Baker are two prime
examples of this truth. Otherwise fantasy rules in Congress and the
press, which has consistently misrepresented the extent of the disaster
in Iraq, preferring to promote fatal illusions about a viable central
government and fantasies of the US being able to shape a new model army
of Iraqis.

Since the elections of November 7, elite liberal consensus, as
represented by the Democratic leadership and major opinion formers such
as the editors of the New York Times, has rallied to the notion of a
"surge" in U.S. troops in Iraq. "Surge" is a handy word. It has the
timbre of forceful majesty, of mighty ocean rollers roaring onto a
beach. It also has the promise of withdrawal, since what surges can
also recedes.

A faction among the U.S. commanders in Iraq has been promoting the
surge option to useful journalists such as Michael Gordon of the New
York Times. (Today, the Washington Post reports that inside the
Pentagon growing opposition to the surge scenario. presumably on the
reasonable grounds that there aren't the troops to mount the surge and
it would do nothing to alter the situation anyway.)

Indeed, no reporter has played a more assiduous role in fostering this
"surge" option than Gordon, a man who somehow skipped free of the
misreporting charges that finally caught up with his former colleague
Judith Miller, even though he shared a byline with Miller in the very
worst report, the claim that aluminum tubes were hard evidence of
Saddam's WMD program.

In the past months, in the Times and on CNN Gordon has been laying down
a propaganda barrage against speedy withdrawal and for a hike in US
troop numbers in Iraq. When Murtha ran for the House majority
leadership position, the New York Times front-paged two stories by
Gordon attacking Murtha's advocacy of rapid withdrawal, and promoting a
troop increase.

At the Washington Post, which editorialized against Murtha's bid, David
Ignatius has similarly been fostering the impression of feasible
options in Iraq. "With enough troops and aggressive tactics," Ignatius
wrote earlier this year, "American forces can bring order to even the
meanest streets." In Iraq, in March of this year, Ignatius, claimed to
find "unmistakable signs here this week that Iraq's political leaders
are taking the first tentative steps towards forming a broad government
of national unity that could reverse the country's downward slide." His
keen eye detected a "new spirit of accord."

So here we have the Times's and Post's lead reporter/commentators on
the war diligently promulgating the core fantasy: that the United
States has options beyond accepting defeat. The vast majority of Iraqis
want US forces out. Militarily, the United States has been defeated.
Diplomatically it is isolated. Politically it is immobilized.
From the Republican defeats at the November 7 polls through to the
publication of the Iraq Study Group report, there was a window for
Washington to commence diplomatic operations to get out with all speed.

That opportunity has almost gone. Now a decisive moment approaches. The
Democratic leadership -- Pelosi, Reid, Emanuel, Biden -- is
recommending that the Democrats in Congress vote to approve the
supplemental budget appropriation early next year, probably $160
billion, which will give Bush enough money to keep the war going till
he leaves town.

Enough Democrats have always been available to push these
appropriations through, sometimes by huge majorities or, in the Senate,
unanimous agreement. Here's the record of shame:

By 2004, when it was clear a disaster was unfolding and after Iraq's
alleged WMDs had been exposed as frauds invented by US and British
intelligence agencies and the press: HR 4613 -- Final House Vote July
22, 2004: 410-12. Final Senate Vote July 22, 2004: 96-0.

In 2005, by which time it was clear that the US attack had spawning
civil war, plus staggering corruption -- HR 1268: Final House Vote May
5, 2005: 368-58. Final Senate Vote May 10, 2005: 100-0. HR 2863: Final
House Vote December 19, 2005: 308-106. Final Senate Vote December 21,
2005: 93-0.

By 2006 the American people were turning decisively against the war.
Bush's ratings were among the lowest in presidential history. Up came
HR 4939: Final House Vote June 13, 2006: 351-67. Final Senate Vote June
15, 2006: 98-1. HR 5631 -- Final House Vote September 26, 2006: 394-22.
Final Senate Vote September 29, 2006: 100-0.

Years ago, my father used to tell me that when it came to assessing the
likely policy of the British Labor Party, the best approach was to
figure out the worst option available, and then proceed under the
assumption that this was the course the Party would adopt. Here in the
U.S. I've always applied this useful journalistic rule to the
Democrats, with unfailing success. Never for a moment, after November
7, did I doubt that Reid and the others would do the wrong thing.

As we warned after the election, the role of the Democrats will be to
ease through a troop increase This prediction has turned out to be 100
per cent accurate.

Now comes the chance to see whether the antiwar movement, the
progressive Democrats, will meekly toe the line, even as some start
wasting their time promoting a Kucinich bid for the Democratic
nomination, which will exactly the same effect as did his bid in 2004.
It was clear from the outset that the only substantive function of
Kucinich's run was to try to preempt defections to a Third Party
candidate such as Nader. Then, in Boston, Kucinich toed the line and
fell in behind Kerry. Once again doomed to fail, he'll do the same
thing in 2008.

On this site, last week, Mike Ferner wrote:

This February, the peace movement's choir, of which you are one,
will up the ante of protest. Voices for Creative Nonviolence, joined by
Veterans For Peace, have initiated the "Occupation Project" to occupy
the hometown offices of Representatives and Senators who have voted
money for the war.
All this clearly adds up to a historic opportunity.

Last week I spoke in Marietta, Ohio to 35 people, and announced the
Occupation Project. I asked who among them would consider occupying
their local congressional offices. Without a moment's hesitation, six
hands went up.

We talked about practical concerns: having to work, how much will
it cost, what will the charge be? We talked about taking a vacation day
and the modest fines involved for a misdemeanor -- all compared to the
enormous suffering Iraqis and soldiers now endure in this war.

So now let's see how these Democrats, all with their eyes cocked
towards 2008 and the need to hold the antiwar vote, react to the threat
or the reality, of being occupied.
T Wake
2006-12-19 21:29:26 UTC
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Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
t***@india.com
2006-12-19 21:34:38 UTC
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Post your name, phone no, positively identifying info so I can call you
collect and explain you in detail.
Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
T Wake
2006-12-19 21:45:43 UTC
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(IFYPFY)
Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
Post your name, phone no, positively identifying info so I can call you
collect and explain you in detail.
Why cant you explain here? Are you just a troll trying to start a flame war
(like you did with all your 11 Sep 01 nonsense in the past)? Do you want to
stalk me?

Why dont you post your details and I will call you collect and we can
discuss your (ahem) theories?
Phineas T Puddleduck
2006-12-19 21:48:34 UTC
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Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
Post your name, phone no, positively identifying info so I can call you
collect and explain you in detail.
Why cant you explain here? Are you just a troll trying to start a flame war
(like you did with all your 11 Sep 01 nonsense in the past)? Do you want to
stalk me?
Why dont you post your details and I will call you collect and we can
discuss your (ahem) theories?
Conspiracy nutter - wants your home details so he can explain about the
lizard aliens hiding in his closet.
--
You know you've arrived when you've annoyed the cranks! Crank Hater proves his
stupidity here!

http://groups.google.gr/group/sci.physics/msg/f9488b70976a3a4b?&hl=en
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
T Wake
2006-12-19 22:19:49 UTC
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Post by Phineas T Puddleduck
Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
Post your name, phone no, positively identifying info so I can call you
collect and explain you in detail.
Why cant you explain here? Are you just a troll trying to start a flame war
(like you did with all your 11 Sep 01 nonsense in the past)? Do you want to
stalk me?
Why dont you post your details and I will call you collect and we can
discuss your (ahem) theories?
Conspiracy nutter - wants your home details so he can explain about the
lizard aliens hiding in his closet.
Every one has lizard aliens, if he was going to tell me about the vole-like
aliens who keep using thought control devices then I would be interested...
m***@digiverse.net
2006-12-20 19:58:53 UTC
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Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
Because more people might begin to twig that it's not the parties in
the US that hold the power but the same scum pulling their strings in
the background. The US isn't a real democracy. Elections just decide
which shift of puppets will push the same agenda.
hanson
2006-12-20 20:16:42 UTC
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Post by m***@digiverse.net
Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
[Mark]
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Because more people might begin to twig that it's not the parties in
the US that hold the power but the same scum pulling their strings in
the background. The US isn't a real democracy. Elections just decide
which shift of puppets will push the same agenda.
[hanson]
Yo, Mark!.. Long time, no talk. Que passo?... Schöne Weihnacht to you.
No snow yet, heh?, but no heating bills neither. Global warming is good!
Anyway... to you emotionally laden remarks above:
What you have said is true for any, even European, country. You even have
"Räte", houses, congresses, which have 'Merry-go-rounds" out of which
they pick the MP/President without elections... to continue to "pull their
strings in the background. So, there is noting new under the sun, here
nor there, because "MONEY TALKS and political BULLSHIT walks"
BTW, how high is the unemployment in GE & AT these days?
Take care,
hanson
m***@digiverse.net
2006-12-20 21:13:53 UTC
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Post by hanson
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
[Mark]
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Because more people might begin to twig that it's not the parties in
the US that hold the power but the same scum pulling their strings in
the background. The US isn't a real democracy. Elections just decide
which shift of puppets will push the same agenda.
[hanson]
Yo, Mark!.. Long time, no talk. Que passo?... Schöne Weihnacht to you.
No snow yet, heh?, but no heating bills neither. Global warming is good!
What you have said is true for any, even European, country. You even have
"Räte", houses, congresses, which have 'Merry-go-rounds" out of which
they pick the MP/President without elections... to continue to "pull their
strings in the background. So, there is noting new under the sun, here
nor there, because "MONEY TALKS and political BULLSHIT walks"
BTW, how high is the unemployment in GE & AT these days?
Take care,
hanson
OMG ein Verrueckter from the past! Europe is now the biggest economy
and the biggest exporter in the world. We are getting richer by just
watching the dollar drop.
Might be a slaving yank will soon be getting less than a european on
benefit.
Merry xmas crackpot.
hanson
2006-12-21 16:54:39 UTC
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Post by hanson
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
[Mark]
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Because more people might begin to twig that it's not the parties in
the US that hold the power but the same scum pulling their strings in
the background. The US isn't a real democracy. Elections just decide
which shift of puppets will push the same agenda.
[hanson]
Yo, Mark!.. Long time, no talk. Que passo?... Schöne Weihnacht to you.
No snow yet, heh?, but no heating bills neither. Global warming is good!
What you have said is true for any, even European, country. You even have
"Räte", houses, congresses, which have 'Merry-go-rounds" out of which
they pick the MP/President without elections... to continue to "pull their
strings in the background. So, there is noting new under the sun, here
nor there, because "MONEY TALKS and political BULLSHIT walks"
BTW, how high is the unemployment in GE & AT these days?
Take care, hanson
[Kettlerl]
OMG ein Verrueckter from the past! .... Merry xmas crackpot.
[hanson]
ahahahaha... What a Wiedersehn! So, your mind still anguishes
and your ego is still bruised from all those ass-whuppn's you
administered to yourself under my direction and supervision...
...ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
[Kettlerl]
Europe is now the biggest economy and the biggest exporter
in the world. We are getting richer by just watching the dollar drop.
[hanson]
ahahahaha... I am glad to hear and I congratulate you, the
Europeans, that you are the biggies now. But your "we" shit
ain't gonna make you rich... except that you can watch others
getting rich... and too boot your Euro Lokalpatriotismus is in
vain when you consider the term 'Multinationals"... ahahaha...
[Kettlerl
Might be a slaving yank will soon be getting less than a
european on benefit.
[hanson]
.... ahahaha... "benefit"? .... ahahaha... Very Freudian, Mark:
OIW you're telling me that you have fallen on hard times and
that you became a welfare case now. Horrible. Sorry to hear
that. Tell me, did the Jews or especially the Zionists have
anything to do with that, or was it your non-Euro/Arab wife's
fault?... In the former case I must agree that they are the chief
cause for this unnatural imbalance, after having goaded Bush
to go after Hussein. However, to your great relief and delight
Anti-Semitism is rising exponentially now in your native country.
Let me know what's up. ---- Thanks for the laughs, dude
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
m***@digiverse.net
2006-12-21 18:21:00 UTC
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Post by hanson
Post by hanson
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Post by T Wake
Post by t***@india.com
http://counterpunch.org/cockburn12192006.html
No, seriously, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
[Mark]
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Because more people might begin to twig that it's not the parties in
the US that hold the power but the same scum pulling their strings in
the background. The US isn't a real democracy. Elections just decide
which shift of puppets will push the same agenda.
[hanson]
Yo, Mark!.. Long time, no talk. Que passo?... Schöne Weihnacht to you.
No snow yet, heh?, but no heating bills neither. Global warming is good!
What you have said is true for any, even European, country. You even have
"Räte", houses, congresses, which have 'Merry-go-rounds" out of which
they pick the MP/President without elections... to continue to "pull their
strings in the background. So, there is noting new under the sun, here
nor there, because "MONEY TALKS and political BULLSHIT walks"
BTW, how high is the unemployment in GE & AT these days?
Take care, hanson
[Mark]
OMG ein Verrueckter from the past! .... Merry xmas crackpot.
[hanson]
ahahahaha... What a Wiedersehn! So, your mind still anguishes
and your ego is still bruised from all those ass-whuppn's you
administered to yourself under my direction and supervision...
...ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
I seem to vaguely remember explaining the spark erosion process to you,
though I recall it was above your learning capacity.
Post by hanson
[Mark]
Europe is now the biggest economy and the biggest exporter
in the world. We are getting richer by just watching the dollar drop.
[hanson]
ahahahaha... I am glad to hear and I congratulate you, the
Europeans, that you are the biggies now. But your "we" shit
ain't gonna make you rich... except that you can watch others
getting rich... and too boot your Euro Lokalpatriotismus is in
vain when you consider the term 'Multinationals"... ahahaha...
??? I'd say multinational companies are right now working on their
strategy to have as little exposure to the $ as possible. As for
"getting rich", euros buy more so we spend less.
Post by hanson
[Mark]
Might be a slaving yank will soon be getting less than a
european on benefit.
[hanson]
OIW you're telling me that you have fallen on hard times and
that you became a welfare case now.
Horrible. Sorry to hear
that.
Quite the opposite. Bought a holiday house on an island a couple of
years ago, my business is running fine.
Post by hanson
Tell me, did the Jews or especially the Zionists have
anything to do with that, or was it your non-Euro/Arab wife's
fault?... In the former case I must agree that they are the chief
cause for this unnatural imbalance, after having goaded Bush
to go after Hussein. However, to your great relief and delight
Anti-Semitism is rising exponentially now in your native country.
Let me know what's up. ---- Thanks for the laughs, dude
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
Glad to have made a lasting impression on you, keep learning from my
posts.
hanson
2006-12-21 20:58:10 UTC
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... ahahahahaha... tj-Frazir turned Austrian!... Ketterl, the Euro-Frazir!
[Mark Ketterl]
Post by m***@digiverse.net
The US isn't a real democracy. Elections just decide
which shift of puppets will push the same agenda.
[hanson]
European countries even have "Räte", houses, congresses,
which have 'Merry-go-rounds" out of which they pick the MP/President
without elections... to continue to "pull their strings in the
background.
So, there is nothing new under the sun, here nor there, because
"MONEY TALKS and political BULLSHIT walks"
[MarkKetterl]
OMG ein Verrueckter from the past! .... Merry xmas crackpot.
[hanson]
ahahahaha... What a Wiedersehn! So, your mind still anguishes
and your ego is still bruised from all those ass-whuppn's you
administered to yourself under my direction and supervision...
...ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....
[Mark Ketterl]
I seem to vaguely remember explaining the spark erosion process
to you, though I recall it was above your learning capacity.
[hanson]
ahahahaha.. so, you confessed now that your mind still anguishes
and your ego is still bruised from all those ass-whuppn's you
administered to yourself under my direction and supervision...
Thank for the admission, but sorry that it still hurts you... AHAHAHA....
[Mark Ketterl]
Europe is now the biggest economy and the biggest exporter
in the world. We are getting richer by just watching the dollar drop.
[hanson]
ahahahaha... ....your Euro Lokalpatriotismus is in vain
when you consider the term 'Multinationals"... ahahaha...
[Mark Ketterl ]
??? I'd say multinational companies are right now working on
their strategy to have as little exposure to the $ as possible.
As for "getting rich", euros buy more so we spend less.
[hanson]
ahahahaha... You should have stopped after your "???"
But now you begin to exhibit again your megalomania
projecting others' ken and wealth onto yourself since you
don't have any of neither... except here in cyber space...
... just like tj Frazir... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....
[Mark Ketterl]
Might be a slaving yank will soon be getting less than a
european on benefit.
[hanson]
OIW you're telling me that you have fallen on hard times and
that you became a welfare case now. Horrible. Sorry to hear
that.
[Mark Ketterl]
Quite the opposite. Bought a holiday house on an island a
couple of years ago, my business is running fine.
[hanson]
Yeah Right!.. so too said tj Frazir, who went from his Island
to Holland and now into Austria...ahahaha... tj Frazir turned
Euro and became Mark Ketterl... Ketterl, the Euro-Frazir!
ahahaha... soon Jeff Relf will be in touch with you ....
ahahahaha... AHAHAHA...
[hanson]
Tell me, did the Jews or especially the Zionists have anything
to do with your debacle or was it your non-Euro/Arab wife's
fault?... In the former case I must agree that they are the chief
cause for this unnatural imbalance, after having goaded Bush
to go after Hussein. However, to your great relief and delight
Anti-Semitism is rising exponentially now in your native country,
the USA. Let me know what's up. -- Thanks for the laughs, dude
ahahaha.... ahahahanson
[Mark]
Glad to have made a lasting impression on you, keep learning
from my posts.
[hanson]
Certainly! Your own megalomania, your Austro-Frazir style, was
always a great source of tabloid class humor. Great for laughs.
As for your wish, yes, I shall keep watching you for fun, but
"learning", well, yeah, keep on thinking so. I don't wanna take that
away from you. Without you posting your grand delusions, you
would not be worth reading. So, keep on singing, Mark. Loud.
The louder the better... ahahahaha... ahahahahanson
news.cogeco.ca
2007-01-02 04:57:32 UTC
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Europe is now the biggest economy and the biggest exporter in the world.
We are getting richer by just
watching the dollar drop.
Yes, "Old Europe" <hahahaha> is certainly in ascendence, along with China
and India.

AmeriKKKa you see can't compete on a fare playing field.

Originally AmeriKKKa's rise to power was the result of it's campaign of
genocide agaist the indigenous native population of the continent. 8
million murdered and their resources stolen.

Later AmeriKKKa entered an age of enlightenment where it murdered severl
million of it's own people.

Then came WWI and AmeriKKKa was able to exploit its geographic isolation
to get it's industry on top while the war destroyed the European economic
infrastructure.

Then came WWII and the same applied.

AmeriKKKa has been riding the coattails of those wars for a long time, but
as Europe rebuilt, and began to compete against the AmeriKKKan criminal
regime, AmeriKKKa began to lose.

And today, just 60 years after the last World War, AmeriKKKa sees itself
from it's ever worsening economic, social and moral collapse.

But don't worry AmeriKKKansikies. You will always be able to watch the
boob tube and you will be able to remain ignorant and relatively content as
your filth are flushed down the shithole by the socialist states.

So long suckers....
m***@digiverse.net
2007-01-02 12:50:22 UTC
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Post by m***@digiverse.net
Europe is now the biggest economy and the biggest exporter in the world.
We are getting richer by just
watching the dollar drop.
Yes, "Old Europe" <hahahaha> is certainly in ascendence, along with China
and India.
AmeriKKKa you see can't compete on a fare playing field.
Originally AmeriKKKa's rise to power was the result of it's campaign of
genocide agaist the indigenous native population of the continent. 8
million murdered and their resources stolen.
Later AmeriKKKa entered an age of enlightenment where it murdered severl
million of it's own people.
Then came WWI and AmeriKKKa was able to exploit its geographic isolation
to get it's industry on top while the war destroyed the European economic
infrastructure.
Then came WWII and the same applied.
AmeriKKKa has been riding the coattails of those wars for a long time, but
as Europe rebuilt, and began to compete against the AmeriKKKan criminal
regime, AmeriKKKa began to lose.
And today, just 60 years after the last World War, AmeriKKKa sees itself
from it's ever worsening economic, social and moral collapse.
But don't worry AmeriKKKansikies. You will always be able to watch the
boob tube and you will be able to remain ignorant and relatively content as
your filth are flushed down the shithole by the socialist states.
So long suckers....
Personally I think Canada should join the EU. It would just get robbed
blind in any trade/currency (the "Amero") links with the US.
Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
2007-01-02 22:30:27 UTC
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Canada, a British dominionate,
got us into CAFTA, before NAFTA. I believe that
Canadian companies engineered the MtBE scam,
in order to inflate the price of their natural gas,
which meant that they had no recession,
when we did.
Post by m***@digiverse.net
Personally I think Canada should join the EU. It would just get robbed
blind in any trade/currency (the "Amero") links with the US.
thus:
unfortunately, the neocons & jihadists are sliding us
into Sudan, a dried-up quagmire (British sand,
viz Sandhurst, EMI et al ad vomitorium Seargent Peppers).

also note that China sent in about 10K workers
for the pipeline consortium with Canada, and
it has a larger--percentagewise?-- number of Muslims
(not 100%, though, as in Darfur).
Post by m***@digiverse.net
from the beginning of 2002 to the end of 2005, the number of armed conflicts being
waged around the world shrank 15% from 66 to 56. By far the
greatest decline was in
sub-Saharan Africa.

thus:
I'm sure that I read about the quantized galactic redshifts
in a mainstream journal ...
unless it was the LaRouchiac one!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

thus quoth:
http://chephip.free.fr/pbg_en/sol143.html

thus quoth:
"The Universe has as many different centers as there are living
beings in it." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

thus:
Harry Potter-affiliated stuff,
in general -- like both Iraq wars).

this just in:
yesterday's (Tues,. Nov.15) *UCLA Daily Bruin* finally noted that
darfur is entirely Muslim, though downplaying it AMAP.

thus:
Dick Cheeny, Don Rumsfeld and Osama bin Latin form a mission
to Darfur, to prevent a war instead of to start one:
if Darfur is "100% Muslim," then
what's really going on, there?
is it just aother British Quag for USA soldiers to get bogged
into, with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan et al ad vomitorium,
under auspices of the UN and NATO?
why won't the Bruin publish the fact of Islam on the ground,
therein?

thus:
Why doesn't the [UCLA Daily] Bruin report that
Darfur's populace is "100%" Muslim,
according to the DAC's sponsor,
Terry Saunders?...
"99%" was the figure given
by Brian Steidle, when I finally found
him at the Hammer, after everyone else
had left (he, his friend & I were the
very last to leave!)...
What could it possibly mean?

--The Other Side (if it exists)
news.cogeco.ca
2007-01-04 07:23:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by t***@india.com
I believe that
Canadian companies engineered the MtBE scam,
in order to inflate the price of their natural gas,
which meant that they had no recession,
when we did.
Recession? You ain't seen nothing yet baby.....
Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
2007-01-04 21:36:57 UTC
Permalink
yeah, Baby;
that's methyl tertiary-butyl ether,
the gasoline additive that was tootally unnecessary,
as proven by Occidental losing their suit against California.

still, Trickier Dick Cheeny is in hiding,
over OKing the "California Energy Crisis,"
thereby assisting the LAtribcoTimes
in installing a new Governeurateur.
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
Canadian companies engineered the MtBE scam,
in order to inflate the price of their natural gas,
which meant that they had no recession,
Recession? You ain't seen nothing yet baby.....
thus:
this is why Indianans are unjustly accused;
they merely used the Biblical value of floor(pi) --
you can't call that an errant approximation!

they also didn't use zero, which is why
there's no Pontius Pilate commemorative coins
with the datestamp of "Y0AD."
Post by news.cogeco.ca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankle_engine
The animation makes it pretty obvious why it would not
make a good wheel.
Though, how to get an outer circumference of 3 times the
diameter is a question I don't know how to answer.
"In Liber Abaci he described the nine Indian symbols together with the
sign 0 for Europeans in around 1200 but it was not widely used for a
long time after that. It is significant that Fibonacci is not bold
enough to treat 0 in the same way as the other numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
6, 7, 8, 9 since he speaks of the "sign" zero while the other symbols
he speaks of as numbers. Although clearly bringing the Indian numerals
to Europe was of major importance we can see that in his treatment of
zero he did not reach the sophistication of the Indians Brahmagupta,
Mahavira and Bhaskara nor of the Arabic and Islamic mathematicians such
as al-Samawal.
"One might have thought that the progress of the number systems in
general, and zero in particular, would have been steady from this time
on. However, this was far from the case. Cardan solved cubic and
quartic equations without using zero. He would have found his work in
the 1500's so much easier if he had had a zero but it was not part of
his mathematics. By the 1600's zero began to come into widespread use
but still only after encountering a lot of resistance."
http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Zero.html

thus:
highly amuzing, actually, a simple mistake, and
Bonacci didn't even get the place-holder!... perhaps,
it wasn't in universal usage by Hindus,
til teh Arabs got hold of it (were they Muslims,
two?)...
maybe, Dr. Sarfatti could deliver him a copy
of Simon Stevin's book, in his Delorean. hey;
he could also grab some Italian take-back
-to-the-future for the group!
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
was dated 1202) that he had studied the "nine Indian
figures" and their arithmetic as used in various
countries around the Mediterranean
Jai Maharaj may carefully note that India is not a country around the
Mediterranean. Now, perhaps he can give us a reference to an ancient
Indian publication with Fibonacci numbers in it.
thus:
could you try to explain that, more prosaically. however,
I'm no fan of the floor function, being
from Indiana -- we got burned, especially Dan Quayle!
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
%S A126888 1,5,7,28,11,13,44,17,19,63,23,51,55,29
%N A126888 a(n) is the smallest positive integer such that
floor(a(n)/d(a(n))) = n, where d(m) is the number of positive divisors of m.
%C A126888 Does every term have a value? ie, Does every positive integer n
equal floor(m/d(m)) for some m?
thus:
it looks as if you're all bent-out over the only ambiguity
of integral bases (bigger than one), as explained
by Ore in his _Number Theory and Its History_
(originally by Simon Stevin in the 15thcce). so,
you make the bizarre extrapolation to ...2222. etc.
in base ten -- not even EEEscultura did that! even so,
it is at least a vaguely comprehensible line of thought,
unlike your usual stuff. (I keep-on saying,
those ESL classes are "FREE," dude; or,
just go thespian, bisexual roles in Shakespeare
til you can comprehend Hamlet.)...
when you can configure Munk's paper on congruence surds,
then you'll be able to publish. til then,
just continue to pile-on the repeatative strange injury!
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Circular or form a circle or spiral of at least 2 spirals. The base 2
of just digits 0 and 1 have numbers ending in either 0000s or 11111s
and thus two spirals are formed.
thus quoth:
Two galaxies physically associated with one another offer the ideal
test
for redshift quantization; they represent the simplist possible system.

According to conventional dynamics, the two objects are in orbital
motion
about each other. Therefore, any difference in redshift between the
galaxies in a pair should merely reflect the difference in their
orbital
velocities along the same line of sight. If we observe many pairs
covering
a wide range of viewing angles and orbital geometries, the expected
distribution of redshift differences should be a smooth curve. In other

words, if redshift is solely a Doppler effect, then the differences
between
the measured values for members of pairs should show no jumps.
But....
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/redshift.html
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
In the algebraics one can have
non-unit integers arbitrarily close to 1 (a^(1/n) for any integer a and
any positive integer n),
thus:
any moron could come-up with the Fibonacci series;
stupid people, however, is another story. (of course,
the internal evidence that Fermat made no known mistakes,
sort-of leads one to believe that
it wasn't his last theorem, at all .-)

thus:
you should see if you can find a copy
of Charles B. Officer's book about the unmitigated hypothesis
that all craters are due to impacts, which is really
a reflection of the hegemony of the Alvarez et al pseudo-
finding about the K-T boundary. mostly remaindered, and
he gets quite worked-up in his prose, but, hey. (also,
find the *first* edition of _The Moon_,
by that former British Royal Astronomer, and compare it
with his second edition, on this subject --
he makes a little joke out of it....
beautifully said, though
about our non-programme d'espace;
soon, a thousand points of light will be on the moon,
all representing other countries. I mean,
why do you think that *yehT* whacked KFJ?
Post by news.cogeco.ca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Basin
"insane"?, well perhaps I would argue it's insane to
bypass lunar geology ((Selinology?)) that has been
collecting data for billions of years and is there now,
rather than chasing about based on speculations
about Big Bangs and Black Holes that are semi-
religious artifacts of some mathematical calculations.
thus:
I'm just going to say, I guess that
AP is really a charlatan. I mean,
it's in the very beginning of every book on p-adics
-- that part that I was able to comprehend, thus far --
that the arhcimedean-valued integers a infinity-adics;
maybe, that's where he got the idea....
I wouldn't say that this applies to his cousin,
Governeurateur Terminator, since
that guy came to teh USA at age nineteen --
I think, his accent is entirely cultivated, and
that his main problem is his financial sponsors
(Rothschild, George Schultz, Warren Allyoucaneat Buffet,
junkbondtraders etc ad vomitorium).

thus:
how is that?
Post by news.cogeco.ca
There are cases with complex a,b such that
sqrt(a/b) not equal to sqrt(a) / sqrt(b) ...
thus:
you have to use tripolar coordinates, though. I've always
called it tetrahedronometry, although, a la the study of trigona,
it can also be called tetragonometry. an alternative
that I've espoused, was inspired by Bucky Fuller,
in a _Posthumous_ publication written by his adjuvant,
when he finally started to attend to teh duals
of the trigonated polyhedra; he used the word,
"polyvertexion," but I prefer polyasteron....
that also dystinguished it from Peter Schoute's polygonometry,
which is just an old, "n-D" thing,
which Coxeter told me of, when I called him up at his home
in Toronto -- correcting me for asking if he knew
of tetrahedronometry!
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
Basically my question here is: what's 4-gonometry.
May be the tetrahedronometry.It should include dihedrals and trihedral
thus:
unfortunately, the neocons & jihadists are sliding us
into Sudan, a dried-up quagmire (British sand,
viz Sandhurst, EMI et al ad vomitorium Seargent Peppers)....
also note that China sent in about 10K workers
for the pipeline consortium with Canada, and
it has a larger--percentagewise?-- number of Muslims
(not 100%, though, as in Darfur).
Post by news.cogeco.ca
from the beginning of 2002 to the end of 2005, the number of
armed conflicts being
waged around the world shrank 15% from 66 to 56. By far the

greatest decline was in
sub-Saharan Africa.

thus:
I'm sure that I read about the quantized galactic redshifts
in a mainstream journal ...
unless it was the LaRouchiac one!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

thus quoth:
http://chephip.free.fr/pbg_en/sol143.html

thus quoth:
"The Universe has as many different centers as there are living
beings in it." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

thus:
Harry Potter-affiliated stuff,
in general -- like both Iraq wars).

this just in:
yesterday's (Tues,. Nov.15) *UCLA Daily Bruin* finally noted that
darfur is entirely Muslim, though downplaying it AMAP.

thus:
Dick Cheeny, Don Rumsfeld and Osama bin Latin form a mission
to Darfur, to prevent a war instead of to start one:
if Darfur is "100% Muslim," then
what's really going on, there?
is it just aother British Quag for USA soldiers to get bogged
into, with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan et al ad vomitorium,
under auspices of the UN and NATO?
why won't the Bruin publish the fact of Islam on the ground,
therein?

thus:
Why doesn't the [UCLA Daily] Bruin report that
Darfur's populace is "100%" Muslim,
according to the DAC's sponsor,
Terry Saunders?...
"99%" was the figure given
by Brian Steidle, when I finally found
him at the Hammer, after everyone else
had left (he, his friend & I were the
very last to leave!)...
What could it possibly mean?

--The Other Side (if it exists)
news.cogeco.ca
2007-01-05 17:56:32 UTC
Permalink
"Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster" <***@netscape.net> wrote> yeah,
Baby;
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
that's methyl tertiary-butyl ether,
the gasoline additive that was tootally unnecessary,
as proven by Occidental losing their suit against California.
Ah, so your desire is to have a return to Lead additives in gasoline.

I'm beginning to think that AmeriKKKan stupidity might be a result of high
levels of lead exposure.
Bob Kolker
2007-01-05 18:03:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Ah, so your desire is to have a return to Lead additives in gasoline.
I'm beginning to think that AmeriKKKan stupidity might be a result of high
levels of lead exposure.
American stupidity kept the language of Canada English, instead of German.

Bob Kolker
Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
2007-01-06 02:47:03 UTC
Permalink
I fail to see what desire has to do with it;
did you parse my sentence?

that's Occidental Petroleum, the company
that made Al Gore Jr & Sr what they are today ...
well, they didn't kill the first Senator!
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
the gasoline additive that was tootally unnecessary,
as proven by Occidental losing their suit against California.
Ah, so your desire is to have a return to Lead additives in gasoline.
thus:
you should see if you can find a copy
of Charles B. Officer's book about the unmitigated hypothesis
that all craters are due to impacts, which is really
a reflection of the hegemony of the Alvarez et al pseudo-
finding about the K-T boundary. mostly remaindered, and
he gets quite worked-up in his prose, but, hey. (also,
find the *first* edition of _The Moon_,
by Patrick Moore, and compare it
with his second edition, on this subject --
he makes a little joke out of it....
beautifully said, though
about our non-programme d'espace;
soon, a thousand points of light will be on the moon,
all representing other countries. I mean,
why do you think that *yehT* whacked KFJ?
Post by news.cogeco.ca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Basin
thus:
that guy came to teh USA at age nineteen --
I think, his accent is entirely cultivated, and
that his main problem is his financial sponsors
(Rothschild, George Schultz, Warren Allyoucaneat Buffet,
junkbondtraders etc ad vomitorium).

thus:
you have to use tripolar coordinates, though. I've always
called it tetrahedronometry, although, a la the study of trigona,
it can also be called tetragonometry. an alternative
that I've espoused, was inspired by Bucky Fuller,
in a _Posthumous_ publication written by his adjuvant,
when he finally started to attend to teh duals
of the trigonated polyhedra; he used the word,
"polyvertexion," but I prefer polyasteron....
that also dystinguished it from Peter Schoute's polygonometry,
which is just an old, "n-D" thing,
which Coxeter told me of, when I called him up at his home
in Toronto -- correcting me for asking if he knew
of tetrahedronometry!
Post by news.cogeco.ca
Post by Aluminium Holocene Holodeck Zoroaster
Basically my question here is: what's 4-gonometry.
May be the tetrahedronometry.It should include dihedrals and trihedral
thus:
unfortunately, the neocons & jihadists are sliding us
into Sudan, a dried-up quagmire (British sand,
viz Sandhurst, EMI et al ad vomitorium Seargent Peppers)....
also note that China sent in about 10K workers
for the pipeline consortium with Canada, and
it has a larger--percentagewise?-- number of Muslims
(not 100%, though, as in Darfur).
Post by news.cogeco.ca
from the beginning of 2002 to the end of 2005, the number of
armed conflicts being
waged around the world shrank 15% from 66 to 56. By far the

greatest decline was in
sub-Saharan Africa.

thus:
I'm sure that I read about the quantized galactic redshifts
in a mainstream journal ...
unless it was the LaRouchiac one!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

thus quoth:
http://chephip.free.fr/pbg_en/sol143.html

thus quoth:
"The Universe has as many different centers as there are living
beings in it." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

thus:
Harry Potter-affiliated stuff,
in general -- like both Iraq wars).

this just in:
yesterday's (Tues,. Nov.15) *UCLA Daily Bruin* finally noted that
darfur is entirely Muslim, though downplaying it AMAP.

thus:
Dick Cheeny, Don Rumsfeld and Osama bin Latin form a mission
to Darfur, to prevent a war instead of to start one:
if Darfur is "100% Muslim," then
what's really going on, there?
is it just aother British Quag for USA soldiers to get bogged
into, with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan et al ad vomitorium,
under auspices of the UN and NATO?
why won't the Bruin publish the fact of Islam on the ground,
therein?

thus:
Why doesn't the [UCLA Daily] Bruin report that
Darfur's populace is "100%" Muslim,
according to the DAC's sponsor,
Terry Saunders?...
"99%" was the figure given
by Brian Steidle, when I finally found
him at the Hammer, after everyone else
had left (he, his friend & I were the
very last to leave!)...
What could it possibly mean?

--The Other Side (if it exists ... nah !-)
Q***@netscape.net
2007-01-06 04:43:04 UTC
Permalink
and this is really important, I guess, viz-a-vu Darfur, and
the perpetual white lie that it is composed of "arabs and
non-arabs -- there's two kinds of people!" technically,
they could say "semites & anti-semites," since
the non-arab (alleged) victims, all had to learn Arabic,
adopt Arabic names & so forth, being Muslims ... but
they just wouldn't go that far ... haven't, yet,
that I've read!

I say alleged either in refernce to semito-arabic descent, or
victimhood, since I don't believe in translations of the Quran,
either -- including those Latino letters -- especially if
it comes from Reuters, the owls in ye olde colonial wire-service.

"Harry Potter wants you in Sudan -- YahooTM!"
anti-Hebrew. there could be some uncircumsized guys,
technically related to Isaac -- if he existed.
"a man who has brought Plato and Schiller back into politics ? and was
sent to jail for it." [14]Quoting "Mr. Tetrahedronometry"
"a man who has brought Plato and Schiller back into politics ? and was
sent to jail for it." [14]Quoting "Mr. Tetrahedronometry"
"a man who has brought Plato and Schiller back into politics ? and was
sent to jail for it." [14]Quoting "Mr. Tetrahedronometry"
thus:
and then there's "the value of the Bible in pi,"
the skipcodes of the Aish Ha Torah nazis meet Carl Sagan;
bring *all* of your Ouija Boards and
your Shakespeare-processing monkeys!...
in case, you were wondering,
who the real Dr. Strangelove was.

thus:
that's Occidental Petroleum, the company
that made Al Gore Jr & Sr what they are today ...
well, they didn't kill the first Senator,
the gasoline additive that was tootally unnecessary,
as proven by Occidental losing their suit against California.
thus:
unfortunately, the neocons & jihadists are sliding us
into Sudan, a dried-up quagmire (British sand,
viz Sandhurst, EMI et al ad vomitorium Seargent Peppers)....
also note that China sent in about 10K workers
for the pipeline consortium with Canada, and
it has a larger--percentagewise?-- number of Muslims
(not 100%, though, as in Darfur).

this just in:
yesterday's (Tues,. Nov.15) *UCLA Daily Bruin* finally noted that
darfur is entirely Muslim, though downplaying it AMAP.

thus:
Dick Cheeny, Don Rumsfeld and Osama bin Latin form a mission
to Darfur, to prevent a war instead of to start one:
if Darfur is "100% Muslim," then
what's really going on, there?
is it just aother British Quag for USA soldiers to get bogged
into, with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan et al ad vomitorium,
under auspices of the UN and NATO?
why won't the Bruin publish the fact of Islam on the ground,
therein?

thus:
Why doesn't the [UCLA Daily] Bruin report that
Darfur's populace is "100%" Muslim,
according to the DAC's sponsor,
Terry Saunders?...
"99%" was the figure given
by Brian Steidle, when I finally found
him at the Hammer, after everyone else
had left (he, his friend & I were the
very last to leave!)...
What could it possibly mean?

--The Other Side (if it exists ... nah !-)
Q***@netscape.net
2007-01-10 00:36:45 UTC
Permalink
we're going to impeach Trickier Dick Cheeny, firstly.
Post by Q***@netscape.net
I say alleged either in refernce to semito-arabic descent, or
victimhood, since I don't believe in translations of the Quran,
either -- including those Latino letters -- especially if
it comes from Reuters, the owls in ye olde colonial wire-service.
"Harry Potter wants you in Sudan -- YahooTM!"
thus:
of greater interest, also in Monday's Urinal,
was a "climate zone map" of the USA
from the USDA, supposedly an update
from '91, reflecting global warming. I know that
this is really a hoax, although it's hard to say,
just how, since there are so many variables, because
I already knoew about the historical series
of frostzone maps, which are/were updated annually,
as I leraned from *The Solar Age or Ice Age* newsletter.

this is how the Bush Admin. is implimenting the Kyoto Protocol,
step by step, since they just signed-onto protecting
the polar bears, which is a legal emmissions thingy, and
the emmissions-trading has been online since Feb.12
of 2005.

thus:
you know, the day after this came-up,
Conrad Black was in a little tiny piece
in the WSUrinal, which I lost, but
it was just a ridiculous *contretemps*
between him and old friend, reviewing her book
on Nixon, all so veddy polite & sarcastic. now,
it is obviously just a hoax, to promote the book;
-o- only knows, what sort of propoganda is going
to come out of that. they may want to bury Mark Felt,
or exhume Sir Henry & Milt Friedman, or
spin Gerald Ford around....
Hollinger Corp., over which Black is still swaiting trial,
is the #1 conglomerate in the USA, as far as individial
newspapers go in midsize or larger towns. caveat emptor,
they never count it as such, since it's based
in Toronto (flagship, The Globe & Mail)....
it began as an arms manufacturer,
sort-of like EMI. so, look forward to the day when
Obnoxico Music Corp. gets into laser pistols.

thus:
I asked this question, before AP did;
I forget where it was in the googolplex. what we *can* say is,
the secondroot of ...9999. is a fourthroot of 1; or, more correctly,
of ...00001., a *real* number one.
Post by Q***@netscape.net
Note here: ...999 x ...999 = 1.
thus:
probably, the scriptwriters did that on purpose.
Post by Q***@netscape.net
explained that "regression to the mean" means roughly that if you throw
a coin twice and get two heads, you'll get two tails on your next two
thus:
meaning that Sagan had even less of an idea
of numbertheory than Bucky, who seems to have
limited his know-how to "casting out nines"
at Amour Le Meat. now,
this is not to say that Bucky's ramblings
about twentyfourness are without any merit;
you'd have to look into that in _S_....
and, no,
Sagan is not the Original Doctor Strangelove;
that was his awful mentor --
not Ed Teller or Sir Henry of Kiss.Ass. or Macnamara,
really, or any one else, except as popular analogs....
I forgot what the storyline pi-coding was in "Contact," since
I didn't see the moviie, but rest assured,
*all* versions & translations of the Bible are in it,
using suitable numerical bases:
"The Value of the Bible in Pi,"
was the original header on sci-math, almost.
Post by Q***@netscape.net
the Bible Code hoax is the same as that
of the "Contact" pi-thing.
this just in:
yesterday's (Tues,. Nov.15) *UCLA Daily Bruin* finally noted that
darfur is entirely Muslim, though downplaying it AMAP.

thus:
Dick Cheeny, Don Rumsfeld, Osama bin Latin and Harry Potter
-- which is a real, fictional character? -- form a mission
to Darfur, to prevent a war instead of to start one:
if Darfur is "100% Muslim," then
what's really going on, there?
is it just aother British Quag for USA soldiers to get bogged
into, with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan et al ad vomitorium,
under auspices of the UN and NATO?
why won't the Bruin publish the fact of Islam on the ground,
therein?

thus:
Why doesn't the [UCLA Daily] Bruin report that
Darfur's populace is "100%" Muslim,
according to the DAC's sponsor,
Terry Saunders?...
"99%" was the figure given
by Brian Steidle, when I finally found
him at the Hammer, after everyone else
had left (he, his friend & I were the
very last to leave!)...
What could it possibly mean?

--The Other Side (if it exists ... nah !-)
Q***@netscape.net
2007-01-11 00:13:55 UTC
Permalink
forgive me, but I have googled, sort of inadvertantly, but
there's a mention of Darfur in this:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/browse_thread/thread/c08159a61c8b2655/11e9c36f267a9868?lnk=st&q=Darfur&rnum=7&hl=en#11e9c36f267a9868
Post by Q***@netscape.net
we're going to impeach Trickier Dick Cheeny, firstly.
thus:
we are being made suckers-of by the jihadis and
the neocons, actively pursuing their own agendae,
with or without "international cooperation...."
you must comprehend that British organizations
like Amnesty Intl. and Soros' HRW have ulterior,
founding motives....
with five American ka-nights from the first Gulf War,
Sir Henry Kissinger, Sir Allen Greenspan et al ad vomitorium.

thus:
Hollinger began as an arms manufacturer,
sort-of like EMI. so, look forward to the day when
Obnoxico Music Corp. gets into laser pistols.

this just in:
yesterday's (Tues,. Nov.15) *UCLA Daily Bruin* finally noted that
darfur is entirely Muslim, though downplaying it AMAP.

thus:
Dick Cheeny, Don Rumsfeld, Osama bin Latin and HARRY POTTER
-- which is a real, fictional character? -- form a mission
to Darfur, to prevent a war instead of to start one:
if Darfur is "100% Muslim," then
what's really going on, there?
is it just aother British Quag for USA soldiers to get bogged
into, with Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan et al ad vomitorium,
under auspices of the UN and NATO?
why won't the Bruin publish the fact of Islam on the ground,
therein?

thus:
Why doesn't the [UCLA Daily] Bruin report that
Darfur's populace is "100%" Muslim,
according to the DAC's sponsor,
Terry Saunders?...
"99%" was the figure given
by Brian Steidle, when I finally found
him at the Hammer, after everyone else
had left (he, his friend & I were the
very last to leave!)...
What could it possibly mean?
Post by Q***@netscape.net
this is how the Bush Admin. is implimenting the Kyoto Protocol,
step by step, since they just signed-onto protecting
the polar bears, which is a legal emmissions thingy, and
the emmissions-trading has been online since Feb.12
of 2005.
Hollinger Corp., over which Black is still swaiting trial,
is the #1 conglomerate in the USA, as far as individial
newspapers go in midsize or larger towns. caveat emptor,
they never count it as such, since it's based
in Toronto (flagship, The Globe & Mail)....
it began as an arms manufacturer,
sort-of like EMI. so, look forward to the day when
Obnoxico Music Corp. gets into laser pistols.
--The Other Side (if it exists ... nah !-)

t***@india.com
2006-12-19 22:14:15 UTC
Permalink
"Conspiracy of Silence" see with your own EYE BALLS

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4946110250157218995&q=conspiracy+of+silence

Please spread the link and info to your friends, send anonymous emails
when you cannot openly tell. God Bless You for Little TidBit of your
good work !!! and download it for your own record. This is permanant
humanity archive, never to go away !!!
Post by t***@india.com
By Dave Eriqat
13 March, 2006
Countercurrents.org
I had a mild epiphany the other day: it's not President Bush who's
living in a fantasy world, it's most of his critics who are. I'm no
apologist for Bush - I neither like nor dislike him. He's no more
significant to me than a fly buzzing around outside my window. So
permit me to explain my reasoning.
People look at Bush's invasion of Iraq and see a miserable failure.
But a failure to do what? Democratize Iraq? Eliminate Iraq's WMD
arsenal? Reduce global terrorism? If those were, in fact, the reasons
for invading Iraq, then the invasion would have to be classified as a
failure. But what if the real reason was to secure Iraq's oil
supplies, perhaps not for immediate use, and perhaps not even for use
by the United States? Then the invasion of Iraq would have to be judged
a success, a "mission accomplished," so to speak.
Or take Bush's seemingly irresponsible handling of the domestic
economy. How can any sane person fail to understand that cutting
revenue while increasing spending will produce deficits, and that those
deficits cannot increase in perpetuity? Sooner or later that
accumulated debt has got to have consequences. Bush appears to be
acting as if there were no tomorrow. But what if there really were no
tomorrow, financially speaking? In that case, the reckless economic
policies of today would not only be irrelevant, but might actually be
shrewd. I mean, if one knows that he is not going to have to pay back
his debts tomorrow, then why not borrow money like crazy today? In
fact, if civilization is coming to an end, then why not use all that
borrowed money to stock up on guns and vital resources, such as oil?
Now, I'm just one person. And I've been closely studying economic,
environmental, and energy issues for only a few years. And I'm no
expert. Yet I've come to the conclusion - and I don't want to be
a "Chicken Little" here - that civilization as we have known it
for the last century is doomed. Our wasteful manner of living - heck,
the sheer size of our human population - is unsustainable. Everywhere
you look you can see signs of strain on the Earth, from spreading
pollution of the air, water, and land, to disappearance of life in the
seas, to depletion of natural resources. Something's got to give.
Things simply cannot continue as they have.
If I can see this, I would guess the United States Government, what
with its thousands of full time experts, probably can too. Now, if you
are the government (and I don't mean Tom "I am the federal
government" DeLay), and your experts tell you that civilization as we
know it is doomed, what do you do? Well, for starters, you do not tell
your population of sheeple. That would precipitate panic and result in
premature doom, which would consume the government along with
everything else. Above all, government seeks to survive, so you would
maintain the facade of normalcy for the benefit of your population
while you use what time you have left to prepare, as quietly as
possible, for the inescapable future.
What will matter in this future? Commodities, principally energy, food,
and water. Everything else is secondary. Money is far down the list in
importance.
So how would you, the government, prepare for a future world in which
commodities are king? By securing today as many of those commodities as
possible. Hence, the U.S. government's binge of military base
building throughout the commodity-rich regions of the world. What would
you not worry about? Money. The only concern you might have for money
is to prevent its premature demise. Hence, the smoke and mirrors used
to paint a pretty but false portrait of the economy. Some will argue
that the government needs more than just energy, food, and water to
survive. True, but by controlling the bulk of the world's key
commodities, everything else can be procured, including human labor and
loyalty.
In preparing for the future demise of civilization you would also seek
to increase the government's power as much and as rapidly as
possible. Why? To maintain control over those increasingly precious
resources, and equally important, to control people - especially your
own people - by force, if necessary. Viewed in this light, the
government's aggressive pursuit of power during the last five years
makes perfect sense. Ironically, President Bush got it right when he
reportedly referred to the now totally eviscerated United States
Constitution as a "god damned piece of paper." That's really all
it is anymore.
So what fantasy world are Bush's critics living in? The fantasy world
in which civilization can continue as it has in the past. That we can
continue to improve the standard of living of everyone in the world if
we just return to a more sharing and egalitarian way of life, like that
which we enjoyed between World War II and the mid 1970s. This is a
fantasy. The Earth has finite limits. We are finally starting to grasp
that fact with respect to oil. But oil depletion is merely the first in
a series of coming crises ensuing from the finite confines of our
planet. The fundamental problem - and I'm not a Malthusian - is
that there are simply too many people for the Earth to sustain. This is
why fish are disappearing from the oceans, why the supply of oil is
unable to keep up with demand, why the globe is being deforested, why
animal and plant species are going extinct, why water wars are in the
offing. Perhaps if people were wiser and more willing to share, and
implicitly, less greedy, we could sustain the more than six billion
people on Earth, but, alas, such idealism does not describe human
beings.
The one thing that has enabled the human population to grow to the
immense dimensions we see today is oil, the resource facing the
greatest challenge from depletion. As the oil supply diminishes, in the
absence of herculean efforts to use oil more efficiently and fairly,
large numbers of human beings will die off. Before then, soaring prices
for oil will probably destroy the economies of the countries most
dependent on the stuff, if not the entire intricately linked world
economy. This is what I mean by the end of civilization. Of course life
will go on. But it won't be anything like what we've been
accustomed to. Life will be more like that of the Middle Ages, in which
a few wealthy lords controlled all the resources and possessed all the
power, and the rest of the people - the lucky ones, anyway - were
veritable slaves under these lords. In many ways that state of affairs
exists today, but it's unseen by all but the most observant
individuals. The future I'm talking about, though, is considerably
more spartan than what the worker bees enjoy today.
I believe that what we're witnessing today is the inception of a
titanic and protracted competition for survival: between countries,
between civilizations, between governments and their people. Moreover,
I believe the Bush administration is the first to recognize this
competitive future, which explains its fundamentally different -
seemingly feckless - behavior compared to past administrations.
Bush's favored courtiers, which include corporations, are profiting
today and will become the new nobility in the coming New Middle Ages.
Truth and Distractions
The governments of the world, and the U.S. Government in particular,
don't want their people to know the truth. Governments usually end up
seeing themselves as entities distinct from their people, and usually
end up competing against them. That is true of almost every government
on Earth today, and is especially true of the U.S. Government. Keeping
the truth from people helps a government achieve its goals, for if the
people knew the truth they might demand that the government start
actually serving them.
One way to keep the truth from people, aside from today's favored
approach of simply suppressing it, is to feed them a steady diet of
compelling distractions.
Elections are one such distraction. Elections arouse peoples'
passions and keep them entertained for weeks or months. Elections even
give people the illusion of participation, when, in fact, elections
mean absolutely nothing in a country like the United States, which is
run by money. Of course, elections are run by, and legitimized by
governments.
Sex is another good distraction, both sex scandals and sex-related
social issues. Look at how much mileage the media got out of the
Catholic Church sex abuse scandals. By comparison, sexual abuses by the
government's own schoolteachers outnumber those by the church, but we
hear nary a word about them because they reflect negatively on the
government, and the media cooperates in keeping this quiet. Sex between
consenting adults, which ought to be nobody's business except the
participants', also consumes our attention. Look at how much
attention people pay to homosexuality. Why is that anybody else's
business? It's not, obviously, but it's a great distraction from
important things, such as the government's reverse-Robin Hood
economic policies. The same with abortion. Abortion is a personal
matter for the people involved. It's none of society's business.
But government stokes the flames of debate about abortion and it
consumes peoples' attention. Sexually transmitted diseases -
diseases in general - are also good distractions and have the added
benefit of instilling fear in the population.
Crime is a perennial distraction. Even when the crime rate is falling,
the government seems to hype the crime statistics, making it seem as if
you're putting your life at risk by merely setting foot outside your
front door. Of course, "crime" breeds prisons, and prisons empower
the government. Given the benefits of crime to the government, it comes
as no surprise that the government creates crime by criminalizing
harmless behavior such as using drugs or hiring a prostitute.
Religion is also a distraction. Domestically, the fashionable debate
today revolves around the separation of church and state. There really
the United States Government shall not recognize any particular
religion. End of story. It does not say how states may address
religion, but it does say that all powers not prohibited to the states
belong to the states. In my opinion, then, if a state wants to
recognize a religion, it may do so.
The "clash of civilizations" is perhaps the newest distraction, and
a completely contrived one at that. The Muslim-Christian antipathy that
exists today is both a religious and a cultural distraction. Decades
ago, when we were affluent, we were taught to celebrate cultural
diversity on our planet. Today that same diversity is touted as the
explanation for the "clash of civilizations." Granted, different
cultures are, well, different. But that doesn't mean that conflict
must ensue, and for decades there was no conflict. Clearly, the flames
of cultural conflict are being stoked. By whom? The governments of the
world and the media. For example, just look at how European media
companies and European governments colluded recently to provoke Muslims
with those silly cartoons. Cultural conflict not only distracts the
masses, but it provides governments with a credible justification to
increase their power, for instance, to regulate headgear worn in
schools and restrict immigration. Of course, "terrorism" is
ancillary to this clash of civilizations and serves to intensify
anxiety in the population. How many acts of terrorism are actually
perpetrated by governments? It's impossible to say, but it's
definitely more than zero, a lot more. So why does a government
perpetrate an act of terrorism? To create a distraction, to increase
its power, or both.
One thing all of these distractions have in common is collusion -
intentional or incidental - between the government and the media. The
government seems to be involved in all of these distractions to varying
degrees, ranging from merely exaggerating the importance of some
distractions to actively orchestrating others. And none of these
distractions could successfully distract the public without the zealous
participation of, and amplification by, the media. One might argue that
the media is naturally drawn to report sensational news, as a moth is
drawn to light, and most of these distractions qualify as sensational.
But I don't think it's purely coincidental that the media relishes
these stories when there is so much overlap between the agendas of the
government and the corporations that comprise the "media."
Both entities seek to dominate, exploit, and control the "little
people." And the little people, being xenophobic, uneducated, and
fearful, are easily manipulated in a formulaic manner to help undermine
their own welfare. Simply look at their support for Bush, a leader who
has systematically attacked their standard of living, not to mention
their liberties. All Bush had to do was push a few buttons labeled
"religion," "sex," and "culture" to get them to react like
Pavlovian dogs. And all this button pushing was, of course, happily
assisted by the media.
Resource Competition
We humans like to think of ourselves as so much more sophisticated than
"lower" animals. In affluent times and places we can afford to
worry about silly things like what movies will win Oscar awards,
whether our body looks good at the gym, or where we will take our next
family vacation.
But our existence still depends on this fundamental equation: survival
= food + water + shelter.
In leaner times, like those we're heading into, the above equation
becomes sharply apparent.
Food production today is highly dependent on oil. Oil powers our farm
implements, oil and natural gas are ingredients in commercial
pesticides and fertilizers, and oil transports food to market. Today
food travels as far as 10,000 miles from where it's produced to where
it's consumed, which would be impossible without oil. Oil vastly
increases agricultural productivity. So it's because of our largess
of oil that the human population has been able to grow as large as it
has. One might say that humans eat oil. We can, of course, produce food
without oil - barring such evil manifestations as crops that are
genetically engineered to require the use of petroleum-based pesticides
- but without oil food production will be much lower.
Water is a resource we take for granted. We act as though there is no
limit to the supplies of water, and that there are no repercussions to
our profligate consumption of it. We're building cities in places
without adequate water supplies - Phoenix and Las Vegas come to mind
- and we're using up vast reservoirs of non-replenishable
"fossil" water, such as the Ogallala Aquifer in the American
Midwest. Just as we're failing to plan for economic "rainy days,"
we're failing to regulate our water usage to prepare for a literal
lack of rainy days. We seem to think that the replenishable water
supply patterns will remain unchanged, an especially optimistic
expectation if the Earth's climate is truly in the midst of major
change. But the water situation is even worse in some other places than
in America. Water delivery is partly dependent on energy, just as food
production is. It takes energy to pump water from the ground, to
transport it to where it's consumed, and even to treat it. Of course,
food production is vitally dependent on water.
I hardly need mention the importance of oil except to say that for the
first time in history, the demand curve is passing the supply curve.
Moreover, the supply curve will soon be heading downward and we'll
find ourselves perpetually chasing this ever dwindling supply downhill.
When demand merely exceeds supply the price of oil will increase. But
when demand exceeds supply and the supply starts to diminish, then
prices will really go up, enough to destroy economies or render
impractical the transportation of food and water to some places. But
the gap between supply and demand means more than just higher prices.
It also means shortages. Those who can afford to buy oil will usually
have their needs satisfied, albeit at higher cost. But those who cannot
pay the price will do without. Occasionally, even those who can afford
to buy oil will be forced to do without because from time to time there
simply won't be any oil to buy on the global market, at any price.
Imagine going to your local gas station and seeing a sign out front
reading "Sorry, no gas." Imagine going to your local grocery store
and seeing empty shelves because the trucks that deliver goods to the
store had no diesel fuel. Imagine having to bundle up in two layers of
sweaters inside your house because you have to make half your normal
allotment of home heating oil last the entire winter. These
hypothetical scenarios will become reality and will occur with
increasing frequency as time goes on.
What's going to happen when people have to vigorously compete for
food, water, and energy in order to survive? I think it's going to
get vicious. My opinion of humanity holds that in the face of such
adversity, it will be every man for himself. Countries will compete
against countries. States will compete against states. Cities will
compete against cities. Governments will even compete against their
citizens. Civilization, in the sense of the word "civility," will
be no more. Perhaps genetically engineered terminator seeds, depleted
uranium, and exotic diseases are secretly intended to reduce the human
population to alleviate resource competition.
Clearly, the U.S. invasion of Iraq is one of the opening salvos in the
coming resource wars. And the U.S.'s belligerence toward Iran is
undoubtedly due to Iran's possession of vast oil and natural gas
resources. Bear in mind that a country need not seek control of vital
resources with the intention of consuming them. The country that
controls resources can use those resources either as a lever to compel
other countries to behave a certain way, or to buy other resources or
finished goods, such as weapons and integrated circuit chips.
The End of Money
The 1970s was the apotheosis of the "American Dream." Wedged
between the preceding decade of civil unrest and the subsequent decade
of recessions, rapidly rising homelessness, and mass layoffs, the 1970s
was a comparatively idyllic decade. It certainly had its problems -
stagflation, for instance - but even while living during that time I
felt it was a special decade. Life was good; people were happy,
friendly, and mellow; TV shows and movies were cheerful; civil
liberties were at their peak; government power was at its lowest ebb;
the country was affluent and at its peak of industrial prowess. It's
not a coincidence that the tallest buildings in America were built
during the 1970s. Those buildings were icons of American industry and
power. Although the Vietnam War raged during the first half of the
1970s, it was in the process of winding down and came to an end by the
middle of that decade. The cessation of the Vietnam War was as much a
reflection of the peoples' desire to "live and let live" as it
was a military defeat. Military conscription also ended in that decade,
and even the cold war cooled off because of détente.
Unfortunately, what we didn't realize at the time was that we would
never again have it so good. The 1970s represented a "tipping
point," to use the popular vernacular, for the American Dream. That
was when globalization really started to take off and when the serious
decline of American industry began, the steel and auto industries being
among the first casualties. Interestingly, the 1970s was also the
decade of peak oil production in the United States, after which point
we became increasingly reliant on imported oil, which greased our
downward slide. What I didn't realize until writing this was how
crucial a role President Nixon played in creating this tipping point.
Nixon opened the door to trade with China, a major player in today's
globalized economy. Nixon disassociated the U.S. dollar from gold,
facilitating the destruction of wealth through unrelenting devaluation
of the dollar. Nixon launched the war on drugs, a precursor to
today's war on terror (or is it the war of terror, I can't tell?).
Both the drug war and war on/of terror consume wealth in order to serve
the imperial ambitions of the U.S. Government, but contribute nothing
to the country's production of wealth.
The 1980s was a decade in which previously accumulated wealth was
systematically extracted, mainly through the mechanism of "Merger
Mania." The 1980s was a decade of marked industrial and economic
decline, which was masked to a large extent by releasing into the
economy some of the wealth squeezed out of these mergers, as well as by
the massive accumulation of debt. The transformations of the 1980s also
introduced a new component: the injection of foreign wealth into the
country. Many of the assets sold in the 1980s were purchased by
foreigners, especially the Japanese, a trend which accelerated toward
the latter half of the decade, highlighting America's economic
decline. The 1980s also marked the inception of the mythical "service
economy" theory to justify the profitable exporting of American jobs.
The economy is like a pyramid. Forming the foundation of this pyramid
is the one true source of wealth: natural resources - the free wealth
given to us by the Earth and the Sun. Mining for minerals and energy,
agriculture, fishing, and forestry are the source of all other wealth.
Above this foundation are industries that utilize its products. These
second level industries consist primarily of manufacturers that take
raw materials and produce something of greater value. Above the
manufacturers are companies that serve them, including law firms,
advertising agencies, shipping companies, airlines, hotels,
restaurants, and even entertainment. As wealth moves up this pyramid a
little wealth, constituting salaries and savings, is retained by each
level in the pyramid. The myth of the service economy, the darling
theory of the 1980s, is that a country could retain the top of the
pyramid and outsource the base of it. During the last three decades we
have transfered much of the base of this economic pyramid to countries
such as China and India and indeed, initially, the money kept flowing
to the top of the pyramid which remained in the United States. But
after a while, a new top of the pyramid began to form in those
countries where we had shipped the base of the pyramid. Witness today
not only the exodus of high tech jobs to China and India, but that in
those countries pure service companies, such as advertising agencies,
are also starting to flourish.
The 1990s was a period of greatly accelerating globalization and
economic decline for the United States, aided and abetted by such
treaties as NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO. Again, this massive decline was
masked by the illusion of wealth that persisted during the huge stock
market bubble of the latter half of the 1990s. Like merger mania before
it, the stock market bubble attracted a lot of foreign wealth. A bit
more previously accumulated wealth was extracted from rising human
productivity here in the United States during the 1990s.
Finally, the 2000s so far represent an era massively dependent on
inflows of foreign wealth. With our previously accumulated wealth now
exhausted and little means left for fundamental wealth production,
about the only thing keeping the U.S. economy afloat these days is
consumer spending and deficit spending by the government, both of which
are financed by growing mountains of debt, which is owed to foreigners.
The United States has largely been reduced to a nation of people that
sell each other hamburgers, with foreigners paying the checks. Asset
sales to foreigners continue as well, the failed Chinese bid for Unocal
and the not-so-failed Dubai bid to run some of our seaports being
prominent recent examples.
During the last thirty years in America two persistent trends are
clear: the steady depletion of existing wealth and decline in the means
to produce new wealth; and the steady rise of an imperial U.S.
Government.
Today, the economic imbalances in the United States economy are so vast
that I cannot see how they can be corrected gracefully. Even more
astonishing to me is that people keep buying financial instruments like
U.S. Treasury bills. Do these investors really believe they're ever
going to get their money back? The national debt is so large that
paying it down is nearly impossible, especially since there is no
political will to either increase taxes or reduce spending. Obviously,
the U.S. Government knows it cannot pay down the national debt, which
is why it covertly relies on dollar devaluation to reduce the value of
the national debt.
It's only a matter of time before the majority of investors in
dollar-denominated financial instruments open their eyes and stop
buying those assets. When that happens the dollar is doomed. The
government's only recourse when it cannot borrow money will be to
print dollars, which will only accelerate the dollar's demise,
possibly even inducing hyperinflation along the way.
If oil prices skyrocket because of the global supply and demand
relationship and harm the U.S. economy, that could accelerate the
dollar's demise as well. I personally don't see how the dollar can
avoid substantial devaluation, either slowly or rapidly. I hope the
decline is gradual.
All of the world's government-issued currencies are in similar
straits. None are firmly backed by finite, physical resources, such as
gold. Consequently, all currencies have the potential to suffer from
devaluation, even more so since the economies of the world's
countries are so intricately linked together. If one currency abruptly
collapses, especially an important one like the dollar, they could all
come crashing down.
Additionally, faith in the world's currencies depends in part on
globalization. The willingness of an investor in Japan to buy American
dollars depends in part on the investor's expectation of a continuing
economic relationship between Japan and America. But in an era where
global trade is increasingly challenged by oil shortages, faith in
other countries' currencies will diminish too. Countries will
increasingly prefer to conduct international trade using universal
mediums like gold instead of currency.
If currencies such as the dollar become worthless, even local trade may
be conducted using gold or other precious metals. Such trade may, in
fact, have to be conducted in black markets, since financially
distressed governments will probably seek to confiscate all gold and
precious metals from their citizens.
The bottom line is that government-issued currency will be a thing of
the past. So how will the government continue to exist?
Acquisition of Resources
Without money or credit, government can only continue to exist through
force. The United States government is particularly well endowed in
this regard and has demonstrated its willingness to use force to
acquire resources, and not as a last resort either.
Iraq's oil is the first such resource to be acquired by military
force. Iran's oil and natural gas may well be the next. In the long
run, the energy-rich regions of central Asia will also attract the
hungry gaze of the U.S. Empire. Of course, other powerful, populous,
and hungry countries, such as China and India, will also have designs
on these energy-rich regions, which will probably result in significant
wars. Oil from the Middle East will probably become so valuable that
countries will have to provide a military escort for every tanker
carrying oil across the ocean.
Domestically, energy will be controlled by the government. It will
satisfy its needs first, corporations will have their needs satisfied
second, and the populace will be forced to ration whatever is left.
Food is also critical to the government, comprised, as it is, of
people. So it's logical to assume that the government will at some
point take control of food production. As with energy, the government
will satisfy its own food requirements first, and the populace will be
left to ration whatever is left.
If water becomes a scarce or unreliable resource, then we can assume
that the government will take control of that as well.
In a future where money has no value, the only way a government can
retain people is by providing them with food, water, and shelter. In
fact, in a future world where resource competition is the order of the
day, people will probably covet a government job - as a bureaucrat, a
laborer, or a soldier - simply because it will mean three square
meals a day and a roof over their head.
Of course, government needs more than just food, water, and shelter.
Government needs weapons, vehicles, computers, communications gear, and
myriad other manufactured items. Some of these things are manufactured
wholly in other countries, or depend in part on components from other
countries. Without money the government cannot buy these things. But it
can trade precious resources, such as oil, water, and food, for them.
Some critical factories, such as domestic weapons plants, may be taken
over wholesale by the government for security reasons.
Slave Labor
Government cannot operate on resources and material alone. It also
needs labor. Some of that labor can be "purchased" in exchange for
resources. But in order for the government to operate "profitably"
it will have to employ slave labor, that is, labor it doesn't have to
pay so richly for.
We already have such a precedent. Many of the two million people
already incarcerated in this country are veritable slave laborers. They
"earn" anywhere from twenty-five cents to one dollar per hour,
often working for major American corporations. But in some cases these
poor prisoners are then charged room and board for being in prison,
thus wiping out their minuscule income. In effect, since they are being
forced to work without making any net income, they are slaves. It does
not challenge the imagination to envision future slave laborers working
in factories manufacturing everything from machine guns to computers,
or working on farms to produce food, returning each night to sleep in
their prison cells.
The United States military is currently exploring ways to utilize
civilian prisoners to satisfy the military's labor needs. It's only
a matter of time before they come up with a justification for doing so.
Once the framework for utilizing slave laborers - all nice and legal,
of course - is established, it's quite easy to increase the pool of
potential laborers, if necessary. The government merely has to
criminalize more behaviors. Caught driving your car on the "wrong"
day? Three months in prison loading ammunition cartridges. Caught
possessing gold coins? Six months in prison assembling computers.
Caught saying "subversive" things over the telephone to your aunt?
Five years on a prison farm - for the both of you - tending crops.
Of course, prison sentences will likely be accompanied by asset
forfeiture, that is, if you have anything the government wants. There
is already a precedent today for asset forfeiture too, even for minor
offenses such as hiring a prostitute or having a marijuana cigarette in
your car. Heck, simply walking through an airport today with "too
much" cash on your person might result in it being confiscated.
Conclusion
Although this essay has mainly been a description of the United States
and its future, much of it is applicable to the world as a whole. Some
other countries may well face worse times ahead because they lack the
natural resources and/or military might that the United States
possesses.
The goal of this essay is not to propose solutions to the many problems
facing us, although there are solutions, but to explain the seemingly
irrational behavior we see around the world. Viewing the world today in
light of the foregoing essay, Bush's actions are understandable, even
though I don't endorse them: the competitive pursuit of resources,
the rolling back of civil liberties, the carefree handling of the
economy.
Copyright 2006 by Dave Eriqat
T Wake
2006-12-19 22:21:08 UTC
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"Conspiracy of Silence" see with your own EYE BALLS
Like I said before, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
t***@india.com
2006-12-20 03:39:00 UTC
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Post by t***@india.com
"Conspiracy of Silence" see with your own EYE BALLS
Like I said before, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
IT IS YOU HOW NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE IRRELEVANT !!!!

Crimes and conspiracies of government, its criminal AND ROGUE
agencies/EMPLOYEES, Mossad, USS Liberty are KOSHER in EVERY FORUM ...
coz the media is under control and we have the right to inform the
people.

If that irks you, you are welcome to produce an intellectual refutation
of it and collect the reward of MILLION DOLLARS on the st911.org. Or
produce a video of the plane hitting the pentagon as an evidence of the
official 911 account.

Give me your phone number in your intelligence office and name and
extension and I will call you at my expense to explain you ......
T Wake
2006-12-20 13:43:34 UTC
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Post by t***@india.com
"Conspiracy of Silence" see with your own EYE BALLS
Like I said before, why are you posting this in full? Why do you think the
newsgroups you have chosen are relevant?
IT IS YOU HOW NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE IRRELEVANT !!!!
Oh no! Upper case letters. It must really be true.

Two issues with this, it isn't down to me to explain why they are irrelevant
because your posts are just conspiracy kookscreed of the more boring kind.
If you were able to read, you would be able to see your (ahem) choice of
newsgroups is disparate enough to pretty much ensure this is off topic in
all of them.

But, then again you do use CAPITAL LETTERS every now and then, so you must
be making profound, deep, meaningful and interesting posts.....
Post by t***@india.com
Crimes and conspiracies of government, its criminal AND ROGUE
agencies/EMPLOYEES, Mossad, USS Liberty are KOSHER in EVERY FORUM ...
coz the media is under control and we have the right to inform the
people.
Blithering gibberish. If you are not already under a mental health care
worker's supervision, you certainly should be.

What "right" do you think means you get to post nonsense? The fact you _can_
do it and the fact you _do_ do it, doesn't mean this is a "right" you have.
Post by t***@india.com
If that irks you,
What you say doesnt "irk" me. It is just nonsense posted by some one who has
just a tenuous grasp on reality there is no point paying any attention to
what they say.

You posting nonsense to newsgroups is mildly annoying - but only in the same
vein of all your cranky friends.
Post by t***@india.com
you are welcome to produce an intellectual refutation
of it and collect the reward of MILLION DOLLARS on the st911.org.
That is like asking for an intellectual refutation of the tooth fairy.
Post by t***@india.com
Or
produce a video of the plane hitting the pentagon as an evidence of the
official 911 account.
What is the point? People who think "falling at freefall" means the towers
were deliberately brought down by the US gov't will just assume it is a made
up video. If you are willing to forget your entire education, happy to jump
to any conclusion you want (as long as it involves mysterious government
coverups - when generally governments are inept at this sort of thing), then
there is no point me trying to dissuade you.

I am happy in the knowledge that your kook like misunderstanding will ensure
you will spend the rest of your life in a one bedroom flat with pictures of
the WTC on the wall.
Post by t***@india.com
Give me your phone number in your intelligence office and name and
extension and I will call you at my expense to explain you ......
What intelligence office?

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t***@india.com
2006-12-19 18:55:32 UTC
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Sudden heating of cement will cause it to explode due to the formation
of steam.
911 mass murder was an inside job by the Yank and Zionist bastards,
namely halliburton, unocal, exxon oil mafia and the neocons.
911 mass murder was an inside job by the Yank and Zionist bastards,
namely halliburton, unocal, exxon oil mafia and the neocons.
Invasion of Iraq was to control the oil spigot.
Invasion of Iraq was to control the oil spigot.
Invasion of Afghanistan and blame for 911 on OBL was to stop democracy
in Saudi Arabia.
Invasion of Afghanistan and blame for 911 on OBL was to stop democracy
in Saudi Arabia.
"Without trade with China, since the 1990s the United States economy
would never have experienced long-term inflation-free growth
unprecedented in its history."
"Without trade with China, since the 1990s the United States economy
would never have experienced long-term inflation-free growth
unprecedented in its history."
US-China meeting ends without yuan agreement
Jane Macartney, Beijing
China and the United States have agreed on ways to tackle global
economic imbalances, but their financial chiefs came away from two days
of talks seemingly as far apart as ever on their core dispute over the
strength of China's currency.
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Their inaugural "strategic economic dialogue", intended to ensure that
China's ascent as a major trading power was mutually beneficial and
did not end in trade protectionism and political recriminations, ended
as expected with more style than substance.
Hank Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, needed to balance the ire of
American politicians, who say that an undervalued Chinese yuan gives
Chinese exporters an unfair advantage against realistic expectations of
Beijing's willingness to give ground.
The soaring US trade deficits have their counterpart in Chinese
surpluses racked up by exporting to American consumers. Some claim that
an undervalued Chinese yuan allows Chinese products to be priced so low
that American companies cannot compete.
Mr Paulson spoke after China agreed to let the New York Stock Exchange
and Nasdaq open offices in Beijing, while Washington gave the green
light for China to join the Inter-American Development Bank.
He said: "China's currency policy is a core issue in our economic
relationship. We have indicated to the Chinese in the clearest possible
terms that more flexibility in their exchange rate will help China
achieve more balanced economic growth and have more control over its
own monetary policy."
While Mr Paulson aims to lay a foundation to tackle a complex set of
issues in the long term, he is under pressure to deliver progress in
the form of a faster rise in the yuan -- a litmus test for many of
China's commitment to market reforms.
Both sides agreed that differences persisted, particularly about
whether Beijing could speed up the pace of reform. Mr Paulson said: "We
have a point of view that there's more risk in going too slowly than
there is in going too fast, and the Chinese see that differently."
But China, now the fourth-largest economy and fully aware of its
growing international clout, was not prepared to sit back and be
lectured by visiting Americans.
Wu Yi, the Vice-Premier and leader of the Chinese delegation, took her
second opportunity in two days to question what she called the limited
knowledge among Americans of China's campaign to give market forces
greater sway over the economy.
It was no coincidence that the People's Daily, the official newspaper
of the ruling Communist Party, said that the US had China to thank for
a long period of low inflation. It said in a commentary: "Without trade
with China, since the 1990s the United States economy would never have
experienced long-term inflation-free growth unprecedented in its
history."
911 government account is now PROVABLY FALSE - Why are the BASTARDS
QUIET ?
We know, the mass murder was done by YANK and ZIONIST Bastards
together, and blamed on OBL to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, they
are back to square 1, on China's Back after Hainan, to increase the
currency value. Did anyone see those desperate pictures of Bush in
INDIA, sucking up to Manmohan Singh? Leaning extra six inches in the
photos towards Manmohan to FLATTER the Indian people. Certainly, there
is some BOOT-STRAPPING of Indian Image and economy to scare China after
having exploited their country for decades as a vast SLAVE LABOR camp
and then blaming them for running it !!! Remember, how Bush was unhappy
at the Death of Kalpana Chawala, cherry picked to create the MYTH of
US-India friendship? But the shuttle blew up - a divine act against the
ANTI-CHRIST. Now they have cherry picked another Indian girl. Yet
others are some Zionist Neocon advisors helping specific Indian
industries to make image making rise, eg Mettal. The idea is to
purposely sabotage China's global rise and steady progress. The Bush
and Neocon principle of politics is by deception, spying, scaring and
myth-making. It has been very successful in the PAST. The creation of
Israel on the land of Palestine was thru the false myth as the Rabbi's
of Neturei Karta have explained to us. The free book on the internet,
Min Ha Mitzer, From the Depths or "Holocaust Victims Accuse" [the
zionists] is available as a pdf for download. Its written wy Rabbi
Wasserman who was himself in the Aushwitz. Similarly, 911 was a fake
myth.Its best described in the words of Philosophy Professor James
Fetzer.
footnote: Bush's pretense of RELOGISITY is a MYTH. He screwed numerous
girls in his drinking years.
www.st911.org
he Science of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not
Propaganda by the government and the corporate media would have us
believe that the 9/11 "inside job" hypothesis is not merely
controversial but unsupported by proof. That is wrong. Academics,
experts, and scholars who have examined the physical evidence and
considered this event within its historical context tend to converge in
agreement that the inside-job hypothesis is, in fact, strongly
supported by the available evidence, while the version advanced in The
9/11 Commission Report is not only false but provably false and in
crucial respects physically impossible. That the official account of
9/11 is a lie and that 9/11 appears to have been an inside job is no
longer a matter of serious scientific debate.
Even though the broad outlines of what happened are no longer
controversial--for example, we know that The World Trade Center was
intentionally demolished by a high-energy causal process physically
unrelated to plane crashes and resulting fires--the precise details of
how the perpetrators carried out the attack remains the subject of
intense controversy. From a political point of view, this controversy
may be insignificant. What we know with relative certainty about 9/11
is already the story of the century: it demands re-thinking our
history, our politics, perhaps even our way of life. But from a
scientific rather than political standpoint, controversial questions
about what may have happened on 9/11 are fascinating and
challenging--not least of all because they could lead to a better
understanding of 9/11 with respect to its social and political
significance.
In an attempt to clarify these matters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth will be
hosting a conference entitled "The Science of 9/11: What's
Controversial, What's Not", to be held in mid- to late-July in Madison,
WI. I think we can all agree that the most important dimension of our
efforts is explaining why the "official account" that the government
has advanced cannot be sustained. Since there can be disagreements even
here about what we should or should not emphasize and what has or has
not been proven to an extent that is sufficient to emphasize them as
"refutations" of the government's account, I am inviting Barrie Zwicker
to organize the opening session, a panel discussion on "disproofs" of
the government's account.
Following the opening session, there will be a keynote speaker and five
major sessions devoted to the issues that have tended to divide us. As
the program chair, I am inviting Steve Jones to organize a panel
discussion of the use of conventional means for destroying the Twin
Towers. [Editor's note: I regret to report that Steve Jones has
declined.] I am inviting Judy Wood to organize a panel discussion on
non-conventional means, including high-tech directed energy weaponry,
that might have been used to destroy the World Trade Center. I am
inviting Morgan Reynolds to organize a panel on planes/no planes at the
WTC and George Nelson on the Pentagon and Shanksville. Each of these
sessions would be of 2 1/2 to 3 hours duration. I anticipate there will
be a registration fee of $100 for the week-end long conference, which
will include a keynote address on Saturday evening.
While the program is at its tentative and preliminary stage, I am open
to suggestions for possible participants and additional topics. There
may be changes in the individuals responsible for some of these panels,
but my expectation would be that their focus will remain the same.
Anyone who has ideas they would like to share with me is welcome to
This conference should provide an opportunity for experts on complex
and technical scientific questions to explain their research and its
significance. My hope is that by "agreeing to disagree," and by
subjecting each others' research to rigorous but collegial criticism,
the attention-getting controversial aspects of 9/11 research may be
turned into a benefit, rather than a distraction, in the larger process
of seeking and exposing the truth about 9/11.
James H. Fetzer
Founder
Scholars for 9/11 Truth
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