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Russia and the curse of geography
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Byker
2018-07-27 01:53:52 UTC
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Even Putin can't change geography:


"Vladimir Putin says he is a religious man, a great supporter of the Russian
Orthodox Church. If so, he may well go to bed each night, say his prayers,
and ask God: “Why didn’t you put mountains in eastern Ukraine?”

"If God had built mountains in eastern Ukraine, then the great expanse of
flatland that is the European Plain would not have been such inviting
territory for the invaders who have attacked Russia from there repeatedly
through history. As things stand, Putin, like Russian leaders before him,
likely feels he has no choice but to at least try to control the flatlands
to Russia’s west. So it is with landscapes around the world—their physical
features imprison political leaders, constraining their choices and room for
maneuver. These rules of geography are especially clear in Russia, where
power is hard to defend, and where for centuries leaders have compensated by
pushing outward."
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/russia-geography-ukraine-syria/413248/
abelard
2018-07-27 08:52:56 UTC
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Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/v3C_5bsdQWg
"Vladimir Putin says he is a religious man, a great supporter of the Russian
Orthodox Church. If so, he may well go to bed each night, say his prayers,
and ask God: “Why didn’t you put mountains in eastern Ukraine?”
"If God had built mountains in eastern Ukraine, then the great expanse of
flatland that is the European Plain would not have been such inviting
territory for the invaders who have attacked Russia from there repeatedly
through history. As things stand, Putin, like Russian leaders before him,
likely feels he has no choice but to at least try to control the flatlands
to Russia’s west. So it is with landscapes around the world—their physical
features imprison political leaders, constraining their choices and room for
maneuver. These rules of geography are especially clear in Russia, where
power is hard to defend, and where for centuries leaders have compensated by
pushing outward."
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/russia-geography-ukraine-syria/413248/
'they made me do it'
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Siri Cruise
2018-07-27 13:49:32 UTC
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Post by Byker
"Vladimir Putin says he is a religious man, a great supporter of the Russian
He isn't.
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Orthodox Church. If so, he may well go to bed each night, say his prayers,
He does just like Republican say nice things about christianity even though they
aren't christians. It's a puppet show for their idiot constituents.
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"If God had built mountains in eastern Ukraine, then the great expanse of
flatland that is the European Plain would not have been such inviting
'they made me do it'
Don't you think Ukraine would like those mountains too to keep Russia at bay?
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Byker
2018-07-27 18:09:51 UTC
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Don't you think Ukraine would like those mountains too to keep Russia at bay?
They'd have to be as high as the Himalayas...
Siri Cruise
2018-07-27 19:44:45 UTC
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Don't you think Ukraine would like those mountains too to keep Russia at bay?
They'd have to be as high as the Himalayas...
And again. Is Russia our enemy now? Did I miss a tweet from iDJT?
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dott.Piergiorgio
2018-07-28 05:58:57 UTC
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Don't you think Ukraine would like those mountains too to keep Russia at bay?
They'd have to be as high as the Himalayas...
Trust me, high as the Alps is enough, (Russia knew this for sure,
Suvarov's Alps campaign proved this)

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.
dott.Piergiorgio
2018-07-28 05:55:26 UTC
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Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/v3C_5bsdQWg
"Vladimir Putin says he is a religious man, a great supporter of the Russian
Orthodox Church. If so, he may well go to bed each night, say his prayers,
and ask God: “Why didn’t you put mountains in eastern Ukraine?”
"If God had built mountains in eastern Ukraine, then the great expanse of
flatland that is the European Plain would not have been such inviting
territory for the invaders who have attacked Russia from there repeatedly
through history. As things stand, Putin, like Russian leaders before him,
likely feels he has no choice but to at least try to control the flatlands
to Russia’s west. So it is with landscapes around the world—their physical
features imprison political leaders, constraining their choices and room for
maneuver. These rules of geography are especially clear in Russia, where
power is hard to defend, and where for centuries leaders have
compensated by
pushing outward."
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/russia-geography-ukraine-syria/413248/
EU and Russia have reached a perfect balance, along the old Roman wisdom
(a very short Limes with two border marches) whose your country manages
(intentionally, in our (EU) opinion) to destroy in their aiming toward a
permanent global destabilisation...
Oleg Smirnov
2018-08-03 16:17:33 UTC
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Post by dott.Piergiorgio
Post by Byker
flatland that is the European Plain would not have been such inviting
territory for the invaders who have attacked Russia from there repeatedly
through history. As things stand, Putin, like Russian leaders before him,
likely feels he has no choice but to at least try to control the flatlands
to Russia's west. So it is with landscapes around the world-their physical
features imprison political leaders, constraining their choices and room
for maneuver. These rules of geography are especially clear in Russia,
where power is hard to defend, and where for centuries leaders have
compensated by pushing outward."
Living in an island is no longer as safe as before. Development of warfare
makes it more vulnerable to submarines. Once a natural protection becomes a
factor of vulnerability. Meanwhile, understanding the way Russia works is a
too complex topic, whereas 'western' rationalizations are too superficial.
That is why your plans with regard to Russia usually don't come true.
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EU and Russia have reached a perfect balance, along the old Roman wisdom
(a very short Limes with two border marches) whose your country manages
(intentionally, in our (EU) opinion) to destroy in their aiming toward a
permanent global destabilisation...
To be honest, the EU itself started breaking this balance down. It offered
the Ukraine an association under terms clearly destructive for the Ukraine-
Russia ties. When the Kremlin asked to harmonize it in a win-win way, the EU
bluntly refused to talk. It caused internal disruption within the Ukraine.
When the Ukraine's violent mess went too far, the Euros seemed to be willing
to mitigate the situation and back off a little, while Obama backed further
escalation up to the armed conflict, which led to the current status quo.

So it's wrong to blame America only. The EU's own functionaries and many
national politicians - deluded Merkel, French Hollande (his approval rating
at the time was less than the Yanukovich's one before the coup), English and
Polish machinators - somehow contributed in the development. Thus the Euros
began the destabilisation effort, while the Americans then strengthened it.
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